casimir Posted January 7 Posted January 7 I think I like Charlie Morton at $15M more than I like Alex Cobb at $15M. Quote
Arlington Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Also, not really buying into the need for right side batters philosophy. Left-handers have an advantage in that the bulk of pitches thrown are by right-handed pitchers. Some teams don't have a left-handed starter and few have no more than two in the pen. Seems you could press an advantage by having a LH available for every AB. Quote
Tiger337 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 9 minutes ago, casimir said: I think I like Charlie Morton at $15M more than I like Alex Cobb at $15M. He looks better on paper, although it's hard to doubt Harris's choices on pitchers. Quote
1984Echoes Posted January 7 Posted January 7 2 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Sure you would, by why would Bregman do that? Because he can't get his $200 mill contract. His value is down after 2024. But get his OBP way back up... while making $30 mill per year until he gets back to pre-level 2024, with an opt out each year... allows him to... Opt out? And take another shot at the $200 mill? And if he never gets back to what he was... he doesn't opt out and still makes $30 mill per year for the next 3 years. It makes perfect sense. Especially if you're an accountant. Which I am (CPA). He can't get his Big Boras contract so Boras is advising him to go short term at high AAV with opts. It's perfect logic. Quote
1984Echoes Posted January 7 Posted January 7 52 minutes ago, casimir said: I think I like Charlie Morton at $15M more than I like Alex Cobb at $15M. I liked Buehler at $21M better than Cobb at $15M. But he didn't love us back... Can we get Flaherty back for a couple more years? Quote
1984Echoes Posted January 7 Posted January 7 48 minutes ago, Arlington said: ... Seems you could press an advantage by having a LH available for every AB. Which we already have. By the dozens. Still need some RH'ed balance. Quote
Tiger337 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 50 minutes ago, Arlington said: Also, not really buying into the need for right side batters philosophy. Left-handers have an advantage in that the bulk of pitches thrown are by right-handed pitchers. Some teams don't have a left-handed starter and few have no more than two in the pen. Seems you could press an advantage by having a LH available for every AB. It's good to have LHB, but if you have too many of them, you will get killed by LHP. The Tigers need more balance. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: It's good to have LHB, but if you have too many of them, you will get killed by LHP. The Tigers need more balance. Correct, and as long as LH batters have deeper platoon splits than RHB, and they almost always do, it's too easy to shut down rallies by LH heavy teams with LH relievers. Edited January 7 by gehringer_2 1 Quote
1776 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) 11 hours ago, casimir said: I think I like Charlie Morton at $15M more than I like Alex Cobb at $15M. Agree. I believe it was Harris who signed Cobb to a contract in San Francisco in 2022. Cobb has been injury prone for the last three years. Edited January 7 by 1776 Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted January 7 Posted January 7 38 minutes ago, 1776 said: Agree. I believe it was Harris who signed Cobb to a contract in San Francisco in 2022. Cobb has been injury prone for the last three years. Maybe they're just looking for an excuse to repeat last year's parade of Openers. Quote
chasfh Posted January 7 Posted January 7 On 1/4/2025 at 7:48 PM, papalawrence said: I think Jung is one of the reasons Harris is not going to up offers to Bregman. Jung came up right in the middle of the intensity of do or die games. We really don't know what he can do yet. Toronto or the Mets or Red Sox will ultimately outbid Detroit, which is why I don't see Bregman coming to Motown. 2025 Third base will be a combo of Jung and Vierling, maybe Ibanez at times. Maybe we sign Bregman to the same one-year pillow contract we signed Gleyber to. Bregman’s market would have to completely collapse and he would have to be committed to short-terming it in Detroit only for this to happen. I’m wondering why I’m not hearing much about Bregman going to the Cubs? They need a 3B and have nothing in their system coming up to play there tat’s worth much. Quote
1776 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Just now, Motor City Sonics said: Maybe they're just looking for an excuse to repeat last year's parade of Openers. Signing Matt Boyd would bring us full circle. Quote
chasfh Posted January 7 Posted January 7 22 hours ago, theroundsquare said: The holidays got in the way and I never continued this conversation. The "have some fun with it" was in reference to fans, like me, who bring this up. But I bring it up because Verlander, at least, compares favorably to somebody like Alex Cobb. They both stunk in 2024. But they were pretty similar in 2023 (Max was a little behind but not too far). So if that is the type of guy the Tigers are looking for, yeah, it appeals to me to bring back Verlander. And if we think Fetter & Co. can coax more performance out of Cobb, why do we not think that about Verlander or Scherzer? I don't really expect that it's going to happen, but I like the idea. Signing Verlander won’t bring 2011 back to us, but if we could get him for a single year, and it wasn’t so much money that it prevents us from signing anyone else, like another 1/15, I could allow it, because that would mean the pitching team sees something in JV they might be able to work with. Quote
chasfh Posted January 7 Posted January 7 16 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: I would do this: Bregman 3 years $90 mill with opt outs after each year... Tigers predicted to land two-time All-Star on three-year, $90 million deal I don’t know who Tim Kelly is and how this notion landed in his head, but I agree this is a viable alternative to a straight one-year pillow deal. Although, flip side, this idea kind of flopped for the Cubs when they applied it to Cody Bellinger. Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted January 7 Posted January 7 5 minutes ago, chasfh said: Signing Verlander won’t bring 2011 back to us, but if we could get him for a single year, and it wasn’t so much money that it prevents us from signing anyone else, like another 1/15, I could allow it, because that would mean the pitching team sees something in JV they might be able to work with. Yeah, a 1 year deal with a base of 15 (he wouldn't go lower than Cobb), but loaded with incentives. Verlander wants to win 300 games, he's 38 games short. That means at least 3 more seasons of SUCCESSFUL baseball with at least 12 wins a year and he'll be 42 next month. I don't knock him for the goal, as he'd likely be the last guy to get to 300, but I just don't see it happening. I feel like it would just be a sentimental signing and that's fine, if it doesn't hurt us. He pitched like a 41 year old last year. He's entering Steve Carlton at the end of his career territory and that was a rough decline. He should just walk away. Quote
chasfh Posted January 7 Posted January 7 12 hours ago, Arlington said: Just catching up on posts and saw this in the Newsweek article linked a few pages back. "They're starting to creep into the free-agent market, with Evan Petzold of the Detroit Free Press linking them to Alex Bregman and Anthony Santander," Rymer wrote. "Which is good, but the problem is that only one of those guys is a full-time right-handed hitter. Here's why this matters: In terms of total run value, the Tigers got +27 from the left side and -63 from the right side in 2024." Can anyone see an iota of logic in rejecting a switch-hitter because you need a right-handed bat? Truthfully, I'm kinda dumbfounded by this. Would telling Santander to bat only right-handed solve the problem? We specifically need a RH bat who can hit RHPs, which make up about 65% of all plate appearances. Quote
chasfh Posted January 7 Posted January 7 12 hours ago, casimir said: I think I like Charlie Morton at $15M more than I like Alex Cobb at $15M. Maybe Charlie Morton likes Baltimore at $15M better than he likes Detroit at $15M? Quote
chasfh Posted January 7 Posted January 7 14 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: I feel like it would just be a sentimental signing and that's fine, if it doesn't hurt us. The current front office has no sentiment tied up in Verlander, so it would never be just a sentimental signing. Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted January 7 Posted January 7 32 minutes ago, chasfh said: The current front office has no sentiment tied up in Verlander, so it would never be just a sentimental signing. I was meaning more sentimental for Verlander or the Fans. If they think last year was a fluke, then kick the tires, but time is undefeated. Quote
Edman85 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said: Maybe they're just looking for an excuse to repeat last year's parade of Openers. If it ain't broke... Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 6 minutes ago, Edman85 said: If it ain't broke... and as much as Hinch will protest it can't happen, if they don't sign more startingpitching, I'll wager Holton's openings will start creeping to 3+ innings.... Quote
Tiger337 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 55 minutes ago, Edman85 said: If it ain't broke... It's untested. I don't know if something like that can work for a full season. I think it requires too many pitchers to be reliable. A couple of injuries to key relievers would probably blow it up. I could see a modified version - where you maybe have 3 or 4 solid starters and some bullpen games. Quote
Tiger337 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 52 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: and as much as Hinch will protest it can't happen, if they don't sign more startingpitching, I'll wager Holton's openings will start creeping to 3+ innings.... And what happens if he get hurt? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: And what happens if he get hurt? He's is sort of the glue that held it all together out there. It's funny that after 120 yr of baseball, nobody really knows how to structure the workload a guy you like to use 100-110 innings. Quote
SoCalTiger Posted January 7 Posted January 7 I doubt Bregman will take any short term deal because he's 31 and coming out agin at 34 is not advantageous. And if he wanted a one year pillow then Comerica is not ideal. Santander isn't happening IMHO. Brace for someone like Austin Hays or Randal Grichuk , players who hit lefties well, cost less, and as spring training nears will be willing to accept a platoon role. 1 Quote
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