2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[chasfh]

22 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

Please don’t compare the Tigers to the Mariners. I live in the northwest and this is a personal issue for me. 😉

You gotta admit Mariners are a kind of darling of the baseball media, perhaps partly because of its location in the beautiful PNW, perhaps also because they had so many great Hall of Famers pass through (A-Rod, Edgar Martinez, Randy Johnson, KGJr, Ichiro, and King Felix might should be). Also, many people think they are way overdue for a pennant so they are a sentimental favorite, like the Lions were this year. Therefore, they get talked about in the national baseball media a lot, so I would definitely count them among the Next Six franchises.

[Dan Gilmore]

@chasfh Pedantic note: valve stem seals, not cover. Carry on.

[chasfh]

@Dan Gilmore Still cost me a quart of oil every 100 miles either way.

[Longgone]

4 hours ago, alex said:

IMHO, there is no way that SHarris will offer a 5 year contract. 'Maybe' a 2-3 year deal with opt outs?... maybe. That simply is not his MO and I agree with it.

A possible exception might be Skubal - but if he stays healthy (a big IF) Skubal/Boras would never agree with it.

He doesn’t have an MO yet

[Tiger337]

44 minutes ago, Longgone said:

He doesn’t have an MO yet

Right, what he did with the Cubs and Giants will not necessarily hold with the Tigers.  Different opportunities might present themselves.  Different ownership might affect what he does too.  

[Dan Gilmore]

Yup

[chasfh]

54 minutes ago, Longgone said:

He doesn’t have an MO yet

He doesn't have Dombrowski's or Avila's MO, that's for sure.

[1776]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

1973 Chevy Vega. It was a ripoff at $850 in 1978. Had to put in a quart of oil every hundred miles or so, because it had faulty valve cover seals. It got so I had to buy motor oil by the case and keep it in the hatchback.

Awesome! Before I bought the Festiva I had previously owned a second hand 1972 Vega GT hatchback. It was orange with the black racing stripe down the center. Every single word of your description of your Vega, I experienced as well. Fun to drive but not built to last. As I recall, certain parts of the engine were built with aluminum. Genius. 

[chasfh]

3 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Awesome! Before I bought the Festiva I had previously owned a second hand 1972 Vega GT hatchback. It was orange with the black racing stripe down the center. Every single word of your description of your Vega, I experienced as well. Fun to drive but not built to last. As I recall, certain parts of the engine were built with aluminum. Genius. 

Yes, the infamous aluminum block.

[Tiger337]

29 minutes ago, chasfh said:

He doesn't have Dombrowski's or Avila's MO, that's for sure.

I think he'll be a lot different than both of them, but that doesn't mean he'll never sign anyone to a long term deal.  I am hoping that if the right opportunity presented itself, then he would.  I don't think Flaherty will be that person.  I suspect that Bregman is, but I also think he is getting get other long-term offers that might be preferable.    

[Shinzaki]

19 hours ago, 1776 said:

I purchased my first new car in 1980. It was a Ford Fiesta. Similar look to the VW Rabbit. Stick shift and sunroof. Living large back then. 
 

My first car was a 1978 Fiesta that I more or less inherited from my brother who wanted something bigger.  I drove it for a month before stupidly trying to speed around a sharp turn by my house.   Spun out and rolled it a few times.  Fractured my thoracic (chipped a vertebrae and compressed two others) spine, but somehow did not get a broken neck ...I instinctively dove towards the floor when it started rolling and that might have saved me.   30+ years later and my spine still hurts when the weather turns cold and damp

[1776]

28 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

My first car was a 1978 Fiesta that I more or less inherited from my brother who wanted something bigger.  I drove it for a month before stupidly trying to speed around a sharp turn by my house.   Spun out and rolled it a few times.  Fractured my thoracic (chipped a vertebrae and compressed two others) spine, but somehow did not get a broken neck ...I instinctively dove towards the floor when it started rolling and that might have saved me.   30+ years later and my spine still hurts when the weather turns cold and damp

That you survived a roll over on that car is beyond words good. I don’t think safety was Ford’s priority when they were marketing the Fiesta. 

[oblong]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

Right, what he did with the Cubs and Giants will not necessarily hold with the Tigers.  Different opportunities might present themselves.  Different ownership might affect what he does too.  

And simply being in charge.  He wasn’t THE boss in those other cities. 

[Sports_Freak]

7 hours ago, alex said:

IMHO, there is no way that SHarris will offer a 5 year contract. 'Maybe' a 2-3 year deal with opt outs?... maybe. That simply is not his MO and I agree with it.

A possible exception might be Skubal - but if he stays healthy (a big IF) Skubal/Boras would never agree with it.

If Chris told him to sign somebody for 5 years, Harris probably would. He has a boss to answer to and probably has been told what he can/can't do.

[1776]

4 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

If Chris told him to sign somebody for 5 years, Harris probably would. He has a boss to answer to and probably has been told what he can/can't do.

No doubt. So when Harris says a particular player fits their profile, I’m thinking that includes a salary window as well as their other criteria. 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

I think he'll be a lot different than both of them, but that doesn't mean he'll never sign anyone to a long term deal.  I am hoping that if the right opportunity presented itself, then he would.  I don't think Flaherty will be that person.  I suspect that Bregman is, but I also think he is getting get other long-term offers that might be preferable.    

When it comes to signing Bregman or any other elite talent for that matter, I imagine this kind of thing hurts us. If a guy can block a trade to us just so he can go to a Big Six team, that really limits our chances to get good via free agency, at least for the time being:

Some players, maybe most players, just want nothing to do with Detroit. And we're not alone: there are probably a dozen or so other teams in the same boat as we. In light of this, the whole idea that Juan Soto might have ever signed with Detroit because we kicked in a couple more bucks seems beyond absurd.

So, I would be really surprised to learn that either Scott Harris wants to sign Bregman for five years, and that Bregman would want to sign for Detroit for five years. If he does come to Detroit—and that's looking increasingly unlikely—I can't imagine it would be for any more than a one-year prove-it pillow contract. And you know what? That might be exactly what Harris would be looking for from him as well, given that we have a guy in the system we hope will be ready for third base no later than 2026.

[Tiger337]

2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

When it comes to signing Bregman or any other elite talent for that matter, I imagine this kind of thing hurts us. If a guy can block a trade to us just so he can go to a Big Six team, that really limits our chances to get good via free agency, at least for the time being:

Some players, maybe most players, just want nothing to do with Detroit. And we're not alone: there are probably a dozen or so other teams in the same boat as we. In light of this, the whole idea that Juan Soto might have ever signed with Detroit because we kicked in a couple more bucks seems beyond absurd.

So, I would be really surprised to learn that either Scott Harris wants to sign Bregman for five years, and that Bregman would want to sign for Detroit for five years. If he does come to Detroit—and that's looking increasingly unlikely—I can't imagine it would be for any more than a one-year prove-it pillow contract. And you know what? That might be exactly what Harris would be looking for from him as well, given that we have a guy in the system we hope will be ready for third base no later than 2026.

Why would a hitter sign a one-year prove it contract to play in Comerica? 

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

Why would a hitter sign a one-year prove it contract to play in Comerica? 

Only because there is literally nothing else from anyone else they would sign for?

That's especially true of a right-handed hitter in Comerica.

[Sports_Freak]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

When it comes to signing Bregman or any other elite talent for that matter, I imagine this kind of thing hurts us. If a guy can block a trade to us just so he can go to a Big Six team, that really limits our chances to get good via free agency, at least for the time being:

Some players, maybe most players, just want nothing to do with Detroit. And we're not alone: there are probably a dozen or so other teams in the same boat as we. In light of this, the whole idea that Juan Soto might have ever signed with Detroit because we kicked in a couple more bucks seems beyond absurd.

So, I would be really surprised to learn that either Scott Harris wants to sign Bregman for five years, and that Bregman would want to sign for Detroit for five years. If he does come to Detroit—and that's looking increasingly unlikely—I can't imagine it would be for any more than a one-year prove-it pillow contract. And you know what? That might be exactly what Harris would be looking for from him as well, given that we have a guy in the system we hope will be ready for third base no later than 2026.

That's a misleading headline. Pressly has a total no trade contract and his family lives in Houston. He says he loves it there. And elsewhere in that same article is this;

"However, Bradford Doolittle of ESPN believes that is going to change soon.

In a recent piece where some bold predictions for the remainder of the offseason were shared, he predicted Detroit will land star free agent third baseman, Alex Bregman."

 

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, Sports_Freak said:

That's a misleading headline. Pressly has a total no trade contract and his family lives in Houston. He says he loves it there. And elsewhere in that same article is this;

"However, Bradford Doolittle of ESPN believes that is going to change soon.

In a recent piece where some bold predictions for the remainder of the offseason were shared, he predicted Detroit will land star free agent third baseman, Alex Bregman."

 

I don't understand what's so misleading in the headline. The Astros and the Tigers talked trade, Pressly rejected it, as is his right. What are you seeing that I'm not?

In any event, I'm not hanging my hat on some writer's "bold prediction" which, practically by definition, has nothing of substance to validate it.

[chasfh]

 

 

[Sports_Freak]

51 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I don't understand what's so misleading in the headline. The Astros and the Tigers talked trade, Pressly rejected it, as is his right. What are you seeing that I'm not?

In any event, I'm not hanging my hat on some writer's "bold prediction" which, practically by definition, has nothing of substance to validate it.

His no trade clause is for every team. Said the only place he would go is Cubs. He's not dissing the Tigers, it's every team except one. Baltimore fans could say the same thing, he'll refuse to pitch for the Orioles. Detroit isn't being singled out. And why work out a trade for a player who won't waive such a clause? And how did the media get ahold of this info? So Harris can say he tried to get a closer but his hands were tied? The whole story stinks to high heaven.

[IdahoBert]

Crickets on the baseball front, first jobs, first cars, other teams getting players, but not us. 

[Tenacious D]

Can’t blame Presley, really.  Probably still smarting after getting swept in the playoffs by a team filled with rookies and no-names.

And Bregman signs with us this week.

[1776]

11 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

And Bregman signs with us this week.

Wouldn’t surprise me but I’d prefer he go elsewhere.