2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[gehringer_2]

23 minutes ago, chasfh said:

 

Congratulations to 2025 All-Star starter Alex Faedo.

I've been waiting for them to make a move to shore up catcher behind Rogers other than Dingler, but this kid is 20 in A ball so he's not that guy. Went to Australia to play this winter - certainly shows some ambition.

[1776]

35 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Less than 3 weeks until Spring Training games….which player is going to be the HMCBSOHLA winner?

(Honorary Miguel Cabrera Best Shape Of His Life Award)

Additionally, we’ll soon see this years 💩 spring training hats! I’m sure they won’t disappoint. 

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Less than 3 weeks until Spring Training games….which player is going to be the HMCBSOHLA winner?

(Honorary Miguel Cabrera Best Shape Of His Life Award)

We used to have a thread that counted down the days until spring training. But you mentioned 3 weeks so I'll go with that since I have no idea of the actual remaining days;

[Sports_Freak]

27 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Additionally, we’ll soon see this years 💩 spring training hats! I’m sure they won’t disappoint. 

I hear they may be rainbow pride hats. 😅

[monkeytargets39]

5 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

We used to have a thread that counted down the days until spring training. But you mentioned 3 weeks so I'll go with that since I have no idea of the actual remaining days;

First game is the 22nd, so it’s 19 

[chasfh]

9 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

First game is the 22nd, so it’s 19 

 

Edited Monday at 09:35 PM by chasfh

[monkeytargets39]

9 minutes ago, chasfh said:

 

Please don’t use Maeda tomorrow….

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Please don’t use Maeda tomorrow….

no promises ...

[KL2]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

I've been waiting for them to make a move to shore up catcher behind Rogers other than Dingler, but this kid is 20 in A ball so he's not that guy. Went to Australia to play this winter - certainly shows some ambition.

They resigned Nido

[SoCalTiger]

Who gets cut for the Captain?

[Edman85]

7 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

Who gets cut for the Captain?

For Flaherty?

Either Englert/Kreidler, or they draw out the physical until camp breaks next week and use an SGL/Baez/Lange 60-Day move to clear space.

[gehringer_2]

43 minutes ago, KL2 said:

They resigned Nido

Oh boy

🫤

Edited Monday at 10:55 PM by gehringer_2

[Tenacious D]

2 hours ago, romad1 said:

When you say unlimited...would I be able to build a bridge across the Atlantic Ocean with it?  And how would the vehicles drive on that with all the garlic butter?

Not sure, but thats a world I want to live in

[chasfh]

OK, here is a completely wild contract idea that I’m sure no one’s thinking about and would never be offered. But tell me whether do you think this doesn’t make sense, and then tell me why not.

Offer Bregman 6/180. Front-load it to be 40 in each of the first two years, and 25 in each of the last four. Give him a player option after the first year, and give us a team option after the second year. If Bregman declines the option after year one and the Tigers exercise the option after year two, the last four years become guaranteed.

This gives Bregman a super high salary for this season, and if he slays, he can opt out and try his luck on the market again. We will have gotten a tremendous season, and we can keep our current prospects in the wings to try again in 2026.

If Bregman does poorly enough to not exercise his player option, he could come back for another year, and if he slays, we can then pick up the rest of the contract guaranteed, and if he doesn’t, we can let him go. It would have to be basically an All-Star season in year two for us to pick it up. Then I feel like we could get close to pretty good value from him for his remaining years here at the price of 4/100. I doubt he’s going to have a Javy drop off because his skill set is much more solid than Javy’s was when he came here.

This won’t happen, of course, but tell me why this won’t work.

[gehringer_2]

36 minutes ago, chasfh said:

but tell me why this won’t work

just one question: has a Boras client ever signed a contract with a team option? Serious question - I have no idea but I think it possible the answer is never, and if that's the case that would be your answer.

[casimir]

38 minutes ago, chasfh said:

OK, here is a completely wild contract idea that I’m sure no one’s thinking about and would never be offered. But tell me whether do you think this doesn’t make sense, and then tell me why not.

Offer Bregman 6/180. Front-load it to be 40 in each of the first two years, and 25 in each of the last four. Give him a player option after the first year, and give us a team option after the second year. If Bregman declines the option after year one and the Tigers exercise the option after year two, the last four years become guaranteed.

This gives Bregman a super high salary for this season, and if he slays, he can opt out and try his luck on the market again. We will have gotten a tremendous season, and we can keep our current prospects in the wings to try again in 2026.

If Bregman does poorly enough to not exercise his player option, he could come back for another year, and if he slays, we can then pick up the rest of the contract guaranteed, and if he doesn’t, we can let him go. It would have to be basically an All-Star season in year two for us to pick it up. Then I feel like we could get close to pretty good value from him for his remaining years here at the price of 4/100. I doubt he’s going to have a Javy drop off because his skill set is much more solid than Javy’s was when he came here.

This won’t happen, of course, but tell me why this won’t work.

I do like the idea of front loading contracts such that the salary and expected production are more in line with each other over the life of the contract on an aging player.

[casimir]

6 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Faedo to the Rays for Enderson Delgado- 19 year old catcher.

 

Faedo will morph into a perennial all star now

Shades of Tyler Alexander.

[Tigermojo]

9 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

just one question: has a Boras client ever signed a contract with a team option? Serious question - I have no idea but I think it possible the answer is never, and if that's the case that would be your answer.

I think the Boras four all had opt outs last year didn't they?

[monkeytargets39]

1 minute ago, casimir said:

Shades of Tyler Alexander.

Or Carlos Pena, or Isaac Paredes, or Matt Joyce, or Willy Adames….

[Edman85]

There's some weirdness in Flaherty's AAV that could lead to quite the discount next year due to the "Valley Charge."

Might come in handy if the Tigers might be pushing close to the CBT next year, which they might with a Bregman signing or a signing or two next year. Greene hits arbitration. Skubal hits Arb 5.

 

Long story short, Flaherty's AAV this year will actually be 27.5M, with next year being his salary minus 7.5, meaning if he declines, the Tigers get a 7.5M discount on their AAV calculation. (I'm awaiting confirmation on what happens if his contract incentives push his option year up to 80%, thus wiping out the valley tax)

This contract could be signaling that they are planning to be considering the tax next year.

 

[Tenacious D]

46 minutes ago, chasfh said:

OK, here is a completely wild contract idea that I’m sure no one’s thinking about and would never be offered. But tell me whether do you think this doesn’t make sense, and then tell me why not.

Offer Bregman 6/180. Front-load it to be 40 in each of the first two years, and 25 in each of the last four. Give him a player option after the first year, and give us a team option after the second year. If Bregman declines the option after year one and the Tigers exercise the option after year two, the last four years become guaranteed.

This gives Bregman a super high salary for this season, and if he slays, he can opt out and try his luck on the market again. We will have gotten a tremendous season, and we can keep our current prospects in the wings to try again in 2026.

If Bregman does poorly enough to not exercise his player option, he could come back for another year, and if he slays, we can then pick up the rest of the contract guaranteed, and if he doesn’t, we can let him go. It would have to be basically an All-Star season in year two for us to pick it up. Then I feel like we could get close to pretty good value from him for his remaining years here at the price of 4/100. I doubt he’s going to have a Javy drop off because his skill set is much more solid than Javy’s was when he came here.

This won’t happen, of course, but tell me why this won’t work.

A lot of money and effort for a guy who has not hit in Comerica in his career.  The Astros are laughing—they got max value out of his arb years when he was at his best.  Now he’s on the decline and wants to be rewarded for his best seasons past.  There is a reason the Astros moved on from him quickly.

F him.  Let him continue to decline with some other team.

[4hzglory]

8 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

There's some weirdness in Flaherty's AAV that could lead to quite the discount next year due to the "Valley Charge."

Might come in handy if the Tigers might be pushing close to the CBT next year, which they might with a Bregman signing or a signing or two next year. Greene hits arbitration. Skubal hits Arb 5.

 

Long story short, Flaherty's AAV this year will actually be 27.5M, with next year being his salary minus 7.5, meaning if he declines, the Tigers get a 7.5M discount on their AAV calculation. (I'm awaiting confirmation on what happens if his contract incentives push his option year up to 80%, thus wiping out the valley tax)

This contract could be signaling that they are planning to be considering the tax next year.

 

Could it be the $20 mil option if he gets 15 starts is actually 19.75 mil (or 19.99mil) to stay under 80%?  (Or this year is $25,000,001?)

[Cruzer1]

6 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

A catcher for Faedo. I guess you can never have too many catchers.

And I think the Tigers are loaded at catcher.

[Tenacious D]

The guy in the top RH corner would be a nice RH platoon option with Carp.
 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:02 AM by Tenacious D

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

just one question: has a Boras client ever signed a contract with a team option? Serious question - I have no idea but I think it possible the answer is never, and if that's the case that would be your answer.

We already it’s not going to happen for that and other reasons. I’m looking for logical flaws if you have them.