2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[Arlington]

On 2/4/2025 at 12:47 PM, Motor City Sonics said:

What.

 

 

Get it?

 

who?

[papalawrence]

Was just looking at Arenado's stats and see how he's regressed over the past 2 seasons at ages 32 and 33. I doubt Harris will offer anything over 4 years for Bregman. Maybe 4/110 with opt outs. Astros owner said again today their offer remains on the table. I can't believe he's not taking it if it truly is 6/156

[4hzglory]

2 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

Was just looking at Arenado's stats and see how he's regressed over the past 2 seasons at ages 32 and 33. I doubt Harris will offer anything over 4 years for Bregman. Maybe 4/110 with opt outs. Astros owner said again today their offer remains on the table. I can't believe he's not taking it if it truly is 6/156

If it is to be believed that the Tigers have been in it and made him a top priority, there is no question in my mind that they have had an offer at least as good as the 6/156.  Otherwise, they would have been out of it from the start as he clearly would have taken the Houston original offer if that was the best one on the table at the time.

[SoCalTiger]

5 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

If it is to be believed that the Tigers have been in it and made him a top priority, there is no question in my mind that they have had an offer at least as good as the 6/156.  Otherwise, they would have been out of it from the start as he clearly would have taken the Houston original offer if that was the best one on the table at the time.

Maybe we are at 5/150 with opt outs and Boras is waiting for 6/180 to commit ?

[Motor City Sonics]

Expect it tomorrow.  Alex Bregman to the Red Sox for 1 year, somewhere between 28-32 million.      

[Sports_Freak]

54 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Expect it tomorrow.  Alex Bregman to the Red Sox for 1 year, somewhere between 28-32 million.      

Where did you hear/read this?

[Sports_Freak]

57 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Expect it tomorrow.  Alex Bregman to the Red Sox for 1 year, somewhere between 28-32 million.      

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/chicago-cubs/news/cubs-make-100-million-alex-bregman-decision-after-harsh-astros-comments/8f2858b8328f60e8a72be1f5

[Motor City Sonics]

If they are keeping Baez on this team, then I don't know how McKinstry or Ibanez fit on this team

Outfield // Infield // Catcher

Vs. Right

Carpenter-Meadows-Greene // Keith-Torres-Sweeney-Jung // Rogers (Dirk Diggler)

vs. Left

Perez-Meadows-Greene // Tork-Torres-Baez-Vierling  // Rogers (Reed Rothchild)

DH will be kind of a floating position.  

 

[oblong]

My gut tells me is the Tigers made what they think is a fair offer and  Bregman doesn’t want to come here. It’s not so much about his perceived value of himself but rather enticing him to sign here in particular and Harris is not playing along.  Like a Pudge Rodriguez situation in 2004.  I’m indifferent on signing him.  

[RatkoVarda]

Alonso back to NYM on 2 year deal with opt out.

Toronto still trying to get someone to take their cash; with Pete gone, maybe they take another run at Bregman.

[RandyMarsh]

23 minutes ago, oblong said:

My gut tells me is the Tigers made what they think is a fair offer and  Bregman doesn’t want to come here. It’s not so much about his perceived value of himself but rather enticing him to sign here in particular and Harris is not playing along.  Like a Pudge Rodriguez situation in 2004.  I’m indifferent on signing him.  

Yeah I keep going back and forth with Bregman. As I said the other day barring him ending up like Javy he would be a real help to this team short term even if he only repeats his performance from last year but OTOH I do recognize the underlining concerns with him and how the deal could look real bad in a couple years.

 

[chasfh]

I’m hearing rumblings that Houston is out. Maybe there was bad blood between the two. Maybe the 6/156 is a phantom offer that people assumed was on because that was the offer he’d turned down. Who knows. We’re all just guessing.

Cubs wouldn’t be a bad move for Bregman because that would make them the prohibitive favorite in that division, and every player wants to go to a sure winner if he can. Among the remaining teams, the Cubs are the closest to that. The only fly in the ointment is Matt Shaw. He’s a top 20 prospect who is presumed to be major league ready to take third base. BUT: he has a soft arm and is considered by some a better fit at second, but he’s blocked there by Nico Hoerner. So, I could see Bregman going there provided the Cubs have a deal in place for Shaw to get back either a catcher or another rotation piece.

Based only on what I’ve read, though, Bregman wants to go to Boston more than anywhere else. After all, he’s said he’s willing to play out of position to go there.

[monkeytargets39]

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

If they are keeping Baez on this team, then I don't know how McKinstry or Ibanez fit on this team

Outfield // Infield // Catcher

Vs. Right

Carpenter-Meadows-Greene // Keith-Torres-Sweeney-Jung // Rogers (Dirk Diggler)

vs. Left

Perez-Meadows-Greene // Tork-Torres-Baez-Vierling  // Rogers (Reed Rothchild)

DH will be kind of a floating position.  

 

I would be irritated if we moved on from Ibanez because he consistently serves his purpose of crushing LHPs.

I low key feel like they’d be willing to send Sweeney and/or Jung down to Toledo in the interest of keeping McKinstry because we need the infield depth for the time being and it’d be easier to just use options rather than move on from a guy completely right now.  I can see that being the first half of the season roster strategy especially if Baez is healthy and rostered.

[Motor City Sonics]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

My gut tells me is the Tigers made what they think is a fair offer and  Bregman doesn’t want to come here. It’s not so much about his perceived value of himself but rather enticing him to sign here in particular and Harris is not playing along.  Like a Pudge Rodriguez situation in 2004.  I’m indifferent on signing him.  

He wants a long term deal as he's turning 31 and coming off a 50-point drop in OBP.    He might actually need to take a 1 year deal to prove that drop was a fluke and not a trend.   If he is looking for a 1 year prove it deal then he's not coming to play 81 games at Comerica Park.     At this point he can't really live up to any hype.    Tigers are still skittish because of Baez -- and they should be.   There's more than one red flag here.   You're right - Tigers offered what they think he's worth and Bregman's not really that close and it's gonna take several teams dropping off to make anything happen.    I am surprised Seattle is not in the mix.  They finished one game short of the playoffs and don't have a third baseman, do they? 

[Jim Cowan]

13 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

Why would anyone like chafing?  

There is a piece of cookware called a chafing dish, you stuff it down the front of your underwear

[Jim Cowan]

Just say no to Bregman, Christ, why would we want to get stuck with him for 6 years.

[Tenacious D]

Even if we whiff on Bregman, I suspect that Harris likely has a Plan B to address 3B, likely via trade.  Given how long this has dragged out, he’s had plenty of time to develop this.

[alex]

7 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

He wants a long term deal as he's turning 31 and coming off a 50-point drop in OBP.    He might actually need to take a 1 year deal to prove that drop was a fluke and not a trend.   If he is looking for a 1 year prove it deal then he's not coming to play 81 games at Comerica Park.     At this point he can't really live up to any hype.    Tigers are still skittish because of Baez -- and they should be.   There's more than one red flag here.   You're right - Tigers offered what they think he's worth and Bregman's not really that close and it's gonna take several teams dropping off to make anything happen.    I am surprised Seattle is not in the mix.  They finished one game short of the playoffs and don't have a third baseman, do they? 

It would seem Detroit is not a place for anything short term for sure.

Yet, if Bregman's market is not there this year, and he will turn 32 next spring, I do not see him getting 'better' offers even if he has a year more like 2023 (not 2024). Most teams are simply not giving into demands like they used to (see Alonso, Flaherty, etc.) and 'know' how player performances are often lesser with advancing age. 

If Bregman takes a shorter deal or a deal with opt outs - he will need a very good year to get a longer term value deal afterwards. If he does not perform well, gets hurt, plays say 80, 100 games, etc. he will need the longer term - with opt outs. He and Boras of course have looked at every situation.

It would seem Detroit would have to believe he is the guy they want, ex this year, next year, etc. Maybe even keep him in the organization. IMHO, Detroit is 'not' a destination for most hitters. Also, we are not going to outbid anyone for any 'big' FA bats ex Vlad, Tucker, etc. - it is not going to happen (see Soto, Ohtani, etc.) - and I agree with this. Draft and develop. Yet, there will be times we will need a good 'veteran'. Will we always be limited to one year deals to position players (rebounds or prove its)?

Just IMHO, Detroit would have to go in with a straight 5-6 yr deal worth 'x' (if it makes him feel better include an opt out or two, maybe FL the deal). Bregman then simply must decide - I am good going to Detroit, ex good salary and long term security, with A.J., can contend now, good farm system to compete in the future, and they given me opt outs, etc.

IF Detroit feels he is the right guy, then they have to pony up to a certain extent ex 5 yrs 180, nothing too outrageous (yet, what I just exampled may already be!). Remember Bregman is at least contemplating coming here, his agent is a master at getting every last penny from whatever team - including creating the illusion that more teams are out there and/or getting more teams involved.

As many have said I do hope they have a 'Plan B & C'. I do often wonder, why not get a player coming off a down year, that has a track record and is younger ex Bichette with Toronto. Make a deal and sign him believing he is a talent who had an off year.

How else can Detroit, without overpaying, get a position player to come here? We now go back to a potential Bregman deal - and further back to Pudge, Magglio, Prince, etc. all overpaying to get a 'star' position player here.

Draft and development is key for sure. Yet, we will have to supplement at times (overpaying?) - is this one of those times.

[alex]

5 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

Even if we whiff on Bregman, I suspect that Harris likely has a Plan B to address 3B, likely via trade.  Given how long this has dragged out, he’s had plenty of time to develop this.

Simply - yes.

[Motor City Sonics]

Car door is iced shut.       Pitchers and Catchers report in a week.    

[romad1]

Giants bsky is talking about Torkelson trade.  Not sure if this is real. 

This seems weak saucy

[Motor City Sonics]

Remember - Baez was a plus player when surrounded by other really good players.   He was signed here to be THE GUY and it did not suit him.    Could be the same with Bregman

A few points

- 50 point drop in OBP in one season is alarming

- Left Field at Minute Maid park is 315

- Surrounded by All Stars in Houston

- 31 years old

 

But the positive points

- Right handed bat   (So is Matt Vierling)

- Some power (but only a little more than Vierling) 

- Very good defense  (Vierling is actually pretty good at third

 

Offense

Defense

 

Sure, Bregman's better, but his he $25 million dollars a year better?    Assuming Bregman is getting about $28 million a year and Matty is getting $3 million.        If he does sign with the Cubs (or Red Sox), they may be doing the Tigers a long-term favor.     And I think Vierling will get better too.    And Jace Jung is a total wild card since we have such a small sample size and he was hurt.   

 

[CMRivdogs]

14 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Giants bsky is talking about Torkelson trade.  Not sure if this is real. 

This seems weak saucy

Especially since there is no hint on who the Tigers would get in return. 

[Motor City Sonics]

15 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Giants bsky is talking about Torkelson trade.  Not sure if this is real. 

This seems weak saucy

Okay.   Sure,   Does it making any mention of who would come back to the Tigers in this "Stunning Trade"?       

The Tigers can redeem themselves too with a stunning trade for Juan Soto.        See - I can do that too !    You should see the trades I made in OOTP !

[romad1]

1 minute ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Okay.   Sure,   Does it making any mention of who would come back to the Tigers in this "Stunning Trade"?       

The Tigers can redeem themselves too with a stunning trade for Juan Soto.        See - I can do that too !    You should see the trades I made in OOTP !

I think its only useful information as a marker of the lust for our guy out in other fan-bases.   Tork is a great MLB the Show player.   I assume the Giants organization has not been lobotomized.