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For anyone who might remember….
 

What was the reasoning behind non-tendering Bob Hamelin after 97?  Not that he went on to do anything great after that, but he had a very solid year offensively.

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4 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Tigers Non-tenders back to 1990... I found this on my hard drive and figured I'd share:

 

Year Player
2024 Ricky Vanasco
2024 Brendan White
2024 Wilmer Flores
2024 Eddys Leonard
2023 Garrett Hill
2023 Spencer Turnbull
2023 Austin Meadows
2023 Brenan Hanifee
2023 Freddy Pacheco
2022 Jeimer Candelario
2022 Harold Castro
2022 Willi Castro
2022 Brendon Davis
2022 Miguel Diaz
2022 Kyle Funkhouser
2022 Michael Papierski
2021 Matthew Boyd
2021 Grayson Greiner
2018 Alex Wilson
2018 James McCann
2017 Bruce Rondon
2015 Neftali Feliz
2015 Al Alburquerque
2012 Daniel Schlereth
2011 Will Rhymes
2010 Zach Miner
2008 Aquilino Lopez
2007 Chad Durbin
2006 Alexis Gomez
2004 Eric Munson
2003 Ben Petrick
2003 Andy Van Hekken
2002 Robert Fick
2002 Julio Santana
2001 Deivi Cruz
1997 Bob Hamelin
1997 Fernando Hernandez
1995 Alan Trammell
1994 Junior Felix
1994 Gene Harris
1994 Mike Gardiner
1994 Chad Kreuter
1993 Bob MacDonald
1993 Gary Thurman
1992 Mark Carreon
1992 Dan Gakeler
1992 Steve Cummings
1991 Andy Allanson
1991 Johnny Paredes
1991 Jeff Kaiser
1990 Lance McCullers

 

Tram's name being on there 1995 is a quirk of how technically all free agents could be offered arbitration, and I need to go back and refresh myself with the 1990's rules on this.

I have always been curious about the Junior Felix nontender.  He batted .306/.372/.525 for the Tigers at age 26 and then never again played in the majors.  I get that the strike screwed things up, but it's fascinating to me that he never got another chance with anyone.  This SABR profile suggests that he might have been a lot older than 26:

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/junior-felix/#:~:text=Félix was believed to be,already in his mid-30s.  

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27 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

Is this your suggestion or has something been speculated?

It's been speculated  - by me. 

Am I any less credible than any of the "official" speculators that kept putting Bregman on the Tigers?     I think I was always in the camp of him not coming here, but started to believe these arseholes because they kept saying it.   I think I stated on here plenty of times that it would end up being short term Boston or maybe the Cubs, I may have said one year, but it kind of is a one-year contract, from his point of view.    

I was just flipping through rosters and saw that the Mariners could use someone like that.   For a team that only missed the playoffs by one game and was in first place n the AL West as late as August 10th, that maybe, just maybe they'd be willing to take a real shot at it.   They did NOTHING this offseason.     They were a bigger disappointment than the Orioles.    The Mariners just kind of sat it out, hoping that their pitching was so good that it didn't matter.    Yes, their pitching is good, but they're not avoiding pitcher injuries forever.   Seems like Tork would be the kind of guy they'd take a chance on.    If I was a Mariners fan, I'd be livid over this offseason.   So I am speculating.  Luke Raley at first?   Um, okay. 

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Hmmmm.....  Both Tiger Territory and Locked on Tigers podcasts speculating that Sweeney may not be as much of an Opening Day guarantee as many of us (myself included) might believe.

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9 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I have always been curious about the Junior Felix nontender.  He batted .306/.372/.525 for the Tigers at age 26 and then never again played in the majors.  I get that the strike screwed things up, but it's fascinating to me that he never got another chance with anyone.  This SABR profile suggests that he might have been a lot older than 26:

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/junior-felix/#:~:text=Félix was believed to be,already in his mid-30s.  

Me too... well, not always... I didn't really get into the sabermetric/second-guessy part of things until around the turn of the century.

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Maybe Javier Baez returns to career norms (which are much lower after 3 sad years here).    What a revelation that would be to have the player we hoped we were getting.       More likely we'll be hoping for a return to the Injured List by June. 

Maybe Tork's mental cleanse worked (I don't blame him for it, (they were ♫ twistin' his melon, man.  I mean they talked so much hittin' they twisted his melon, man, call the cops ♫).    How cool would it be to see him force his way onto this team by looking great?     More likely that he's only on this team if there are injuries, or he's traded by St. Patty's Day.

Maybe Casey Mize shows a glimmer of why he was a 1/1 after a year of Tommy John recovery.   Waiting to hear how he looks this Spring.   Haven't heard much.       More likely that we take our lumps with the flameout of two 1/1's in the same year. 

Maybe Kenta shows he belongs on a major league pitching staff again.     More likely that he's just done, one of those, once you lose it, it's just gone type of deals.   

Maybe Parker Meadows puts a full season together that looks like his August & September run of last year.  You get that guy for a full season, he's an All-Star.       More likely that he remains uneven, but frustratingly tantalizes us with flashes.   I'll keep my hopes up that he's not another JaCoby Jones/Mikie Mahtook - who had these runs that made you think "wow, if they could put it all together".  I don't think he is.  I think he's better than that.   They wouldn't have made the playoffs without him last year.  

Maybe Gleyber Torres lives in those power alleys, like I think he could.   Not having that short porch in NYC tempting you into swinging out of your shoes might actually be a benefit for him.  Show me a guy who hits line drives and I'll show you a guy that thrives at Comerica Park.     More likely that he still takes long swings and flies out too much.  

Maybe Hao-Yu Lee is the Kerry Carpenter of this year.   Nobody in the mainstream is talking about him but he looks like a guy who could possibly be someone who plays in such a manner that you CAN'T leave him out of the lineup.     More likely that he gets tucked away in Toledo to make room for McKinstry and Baez, who bring next to nothing. 

Maybe our infield doesn't look like we have 3 or 4 DH's trying to prove something defensively.   An infield with an just-learning  Keith-Torres-Jung/McKinstry is not going to help our pitchers much.      Don't know what to think of Sweeney and Baez in the field

 

See, it's 17 degrees outside. The wind chill is 0.    I have to shovel again today.   I have a nasty cold.   Not working today because of Felons Day, so I am kind of bored.     February sucks, I need baseball desperately now.    We need a live feed of Spring Training.  I'll watch calisthenics, for crying out loud.   Enough of this already.    

Just give me something other than speculation !    Give me green grass and sunny skies.   Give me baseball NOW !

 

Bonus points if you can name that song reference - you'll need to be into Brit Pop

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43 minutes ago, casimir said:

Hmmmm.....  Both Tiger Territory and Locked on Tigers podcasts speculating that Sweeney may not be as much of an Opening Day guarantee as many of us (myself included) might believe.

As the band Gomez says - He's got Options. 

But again, we're gonna pass over Sweeney (and others) to make room for Zach McKinstry.   Why?     Because he's left handed?   He's career .220 against right handed pitching.    Because he can play multiple positions?    So can most of the roster.    

This is like the Red Wings bringing back Dan Cleary for four years too long.   

 

 I'd rather take my chances with Sweeney, Lee, or even Navigato.     They all may suck, but who knows?   I know what Zach is.  Nothing personal, but he will give you those two weeks that make you think "Hey, what about this guy?" and then resort to sucking again.   Raburn 2.0.   He played multiple positions too.  

 

 

 

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We’re headed to Lakeland Friday for a five game stretch beginning Saturday. We have never been down this early in the spring. It hit me after ordering tickets that it won’t even be daylight savings time yet!
I was hoping to see Clark and McGonigle this year but they didn’t get an invite.
Has anyone on the board here attended any of the workouts/games on the backfields in spring training? Is there seating? Anything?

I called the Lakeland office and the person I spoke to said the minor league guys are out on the back fields from 10-12. 
Thanks for any info anybody has on this.

Can’t help but remember hueytaxi when talking spring training.

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1 hour ago, 1776 said:

We’re headed to Lakeland Friday for a five game stretch beginning Saturday. We have never been down this early in the spring. It hit me after ordering tickets that it won’t even be daylight savings time yet!
I was hoping to see Clark and McGonigle this year but they didn’t get an invite.
Has anyone on the board here attended any of the workouts/games on the backfields in spring training? Is there seating? Anything?

I called the Lakeland office and the person I spoke to said the minor league guys are out on the back fields from 10-12. 
Thanks for any info anybody has on this.

Can’t help but remember hueytaxi when talking spring training.

It's been 10 years, but I regularly did that from roughly 2010-2015. The facilities have changed significantly, but really you just walk back there. There used to be a guy in an orange hat who power tripped and kept people from going back there, but it's just free seating, get up close and personal, and don't be an autograph hound.  Enter by the area behind the right field of the stadium, walk the path below and sit in the bleachers between the two fields. Once games get going, there's usually two games going at once.

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12 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

For anyone who might remember….
 

What was the reasoning behind non-tendering Bob Hamelin after 97?  Not that he went on to do anything great after that, but he had a very solid year offensively.

I remember being puzzled by that, too.  Hamelin's LH power seemed like a good fit for Tiger Stadium.  I always just chalked it up to Randy Smith being a bozo.

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What was really odd about Hamelin was the effect he had on the Tiger's offense the season he was here.  I recall the offense being noticeably better after he signed.

Why wouldn't you bring him back?

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54 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

What was really odd about Hamelin was the effect he had on the Tiger's offense the season he was here.  I recall the offense being noticeably better after he signed.

Why wouldn't you bring him back?

Or at least trade him for something coming off some good years.  He was still on the right side of 30 at that point.

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On 2/17/2025 at 6:36 AM, Motor City Sonics said:

Maybe Javier Baez returns to career norms (which are much lower after 3 sad years here).    What a revelation that would be to have the player we hoped we were getting.       More likely we'll be hoping for a return to the Injured List by June. 

Maybe Tork's mental cleanse worked (I don't blame him for it, (they were ♫ twistin' his melon, man.  I mean they talked so much hittin' they twisted his melon, man, call the cops ♫).    How cool would it be to see him force his way onto this team by looking great?     More likely that he's only on this team if there are injuries, or he's traded by St. Patty's Day.

Maybe Casey Mize shows a glimmer of why he was a 1/1 after a year of Tommy John recovery.   Waiting to hear how he looks this Spring.   Haven't heard much.       More likely that we take our lumps with the flameout of two 1/1's in the same year. 

Maybe Kenta shows he belongs on a major league pitching staff again.     More likely that he's just done, one of those, once you lose it, it's just gone type of deals.   

Maybe Parker Meadows puts a full season together that looks like his August & September run of last year.  You get that guy for a full season, he's an All-Star.       More likely that he remains uneven, but frustratingly tantalizes us with flashes.   I'll keep my hopes up that he's not another JaCoby Jones/Mikie Mahtook - who had these runs that made you think "wow, if they could put it all together".  I don't think he is.  I think he's better than that.   They wouldn't have made the playoffs without him last year.  

Maybe Gleyber Torres lives in those power alleys, like I think he could.   Not having that short porch in NYC tempting you into swinging out of your shoes might actually be a benefit for him.  Show me a guy who hits line drives and I'll show you a guy that thrives at Comerica Park.     More likely that he still takes long swings and flies out too much.  

Maybe Hao-Yu Lee is the Kerry Carpenter of this year.   Nobody in the mainstream is talking about him but he looks like a guy who could possibly be someone who plays in such a manner that you CAN'T leave him out of the lineup.     More likely that he gets tucked away in Toledo to make room for McKinstry and Baez, who bring next to nothing. 

Maybe our infield doesn't look like we have 3 or 4 DH's trying to prove something defensively.   An infield with an just-learning  Keith-Torres-Jung/McKinstry is not going to help our pitchers much.      Don't know what to think of Sweeney and Baez in the field

 

See, it's 17 degrees outside. The wind chill is 0.    I have to shovel again today.   I have a nasty cold.   Not working today because of Felons Day, so I am kind of bored.     February sucks, I need baseball desperately now.    We need a live feed of Spring Training.  I'll watch calisthenics, for crying out loud.   Enough of this already.    

Just give me something other than speculation !    Give me green grass and sunny skies.   Give me baseball NOW !

 

Bonus points if you can name that song reference - you'll need to be into Brit Pop

Happy Mondays

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On 2/16/2025 at 10:52 PM, monkeytargets39 said:

For anyone who might remember….
 

What was the reasoning behind non-tendering Bob Hamelin after 97?  Not that he went on to do anything great after that, but he had a very solid year offensively.

Luis Gonzalez was signed 2 weeks before he was let go

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Fangraphs is out with its Top 100 prospects list which predictably differ substantially from Pipeline's.

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All of a sudden, here comes Troy Melton onto the national prospect scene. FG is projecting a 2025 debut for the kid. he was a fourth round draft pick and the Harris brain trust engineered some changes to his delivery that has raised his stock some.

Doesn't look like FG has room for Rainer on their list but he's early yet and there's time.

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10 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Fangraphs is out with its Top 100 prospects list which predictably differ substantially from Pipeline's.

image.png.5adc8e02dd8a4cb676b3e77de1209ee9.png

All of a sudden, here comes Troy Melton onto the national prospect scene. FG is projecting a 2025 debut for the kid. he was a fourth round draft pick and the Harris brain trust engineered some changes to his delivery that has raised his stock some.

Doesn't look like FG has room for Rainer on their list but he's early yet and there's time.

Melton was flagged as someone who could make that jump prior to last season. He gave up a lot of HRs and the ERA was bad, but the peripherals were great. Surprised to see they went ahead and put him there. But he's one that I'm really looking forward to following.

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