papalawrence Posted February 17 Posted February 17 (edited) Eric Munson - there's a name from the past. 3rd overall pick. Had hi hopes for him. Edited February 17 by papalawrence Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 (edited) For anyone who might remember…. What was the reasoning behind non-tendering Bob Hamelin after 97? Not that he went on to do anything great after that, but he had a very solid year offensively. Edited February 17 by monkeytargets39 Quote
Tiger337 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 4 hours ago, Edman85 said: Tigers Non-tenders back to 1990... I found this on my hard drive and figured I'd share: Year Player 2024 Ricky Vanasco 2024 Brendan White 2024 Wilmer Flores 2024 Eddys Leonard 2023 Garrett Hill 2023 Spencer Turnbull 2023 Austin Meadows 2023 Brenan Hanifee 2023 Freddy Pacheco 2022 Jeimer Candelario 2022 Harold Castro 2022 Willi Castro 2022 Brendon Davis 2022 Miguel Diaz 2022 Kyle Funkhouser 2022 Michael Papierski 2021 Matthew Boyd 2021 Grayson Greiner 2018 Alex Wilson 2018 James McCann 2017 Bruce Rondon 2015 Neftali Feliz 2015 Al Alburquerque 2012 Daniel Schlereth 2011 Will Rhymes 2010 Zach Miner 2008 Aquilino Lopez 2007 Chad Durbin 2006 Alexis Gomez 2004 Eric Munson 2003 Ben Petrick 2003 Andy Van Hekken 2002 Robert Fick 2002 Julio Santana 2001 Deivi Cruz 1997 Bob Hamelin 1997 Fernando Hernandez 1995 Alan Trammell 1994 Junior Felix 1994 Gene Harris 1994 Mike Gardiner 1994 Chad Kreuter 1993 Bob MacDonald 1993 Gary Thurman 1992 Mark Carreon 1992 Dan Gakeler 1992 Steve Cummings 1991 Andy Allanson 1991 Johnny Paredes 1991 Jeff Kaiser 1990 Lance McCullers Tram's name being on there 1995 is a quirk of how technically all free agents could be offered arbitration, and I need to go back and refresh myself with the 1990's rules on this. I have always been curious about the Junior Felix nontender. He batted .306/.372/.525 for the Tigers at age 26 and then never again played in the majors. I get that the strike screwed things up, but it's fascinating to me that he never got another chance with anyone. This SABR profile suggests that he might have been a lot older than 26: https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/junior-felix/#:~:text=Félix was believed to be,already in his mid-30s. 2 Quote
Tenacious D Posted February 17 Posted February 17 7 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: Torkelson to the Mariners? Is this your suggestion or has something been speculated? Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted February 17 Posted February 17 27 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Is this your suggestion or has something been speculated? It's been speculated - by me. Am I any less credible than any of the "official" speculators that kept putting Bregman on the Tigers? I think I was always in the camp of him not coming here, but started to believe these arseholes because they kept saying it. I think I stated on here plenty of times that it would end up being short term Boston or maybe the Cubs, I may have said one year, but it kind of is a one-year contract, from his point of view. I was just flipping through rosters and saw that the Mariners could use someone like that. For a team that only missed the playoffs by one game and was in first place n the AL West as late as August 10th, that maybe, just maybe they'd be willing to take a real shot at it. They did NOTHING this offseason. They were a bigger disappointment than the Orioles. The Mariners just kind of sat it out, hoping that their pitching was so good that it didn't matter. Yes, their pitching is good, but they're not avoiding pitcher injuries forever. Seems like Tork would be the kind of guy they'd take a chance on. If I was a Mariners fan, I'd be livid over this offseason. So I am speculating. Luke Raley at first? Um, okay. Quote
casimir Posted February 17 Posted February 17 Hmmmm..... Both Tiger Territory and Locked on Tigers podcasts speculating that Sweeney may not be as much of an Opening Day guarantee as many of us (myself included) might believe. Quote
Edman85 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 9 hours ago, Tiger337 said: I have always been curious about the Junior Felix nontender. He batted .306/.372/.525 for the Tigers at age 26 and then never again played in the majors. I get that the strike screwed things up, but it's fascinating to me that he never got another chance with anyone. This SABR profile suggests that he might have been a lot older than 26: https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/junior-felix/#:~:text=Félix was believed to be,already in his mid-30s. Me too... well, not always... I didn't really get into the sabermetric/second-guessy part of things until around the turn of the century. Quote
oblong Posted February 17 Posted February 17 Felix was flakey. I remember an incident where Gibson had to get on him for not having his head in the game. Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted February 17 Posted February 17 Maybe Javier Baez returns to career norms (which are much lower after 3 sad years here). What a revelation that would be to have the player we hoped we were getting. More likely we'll be hoping for a return to the Injured List by June. Maybe Tork's mental cleanse worked (I don't blame him for it, (they were ♫ twistin' his melon, man. I mean they talked so much hittin' they twisted his melon, man, call the cops ♫). How cool would it be to see him force his way onto this team by looking great? More likely that he's only on this team if there are injuries, or he's traded by St. Patty's Day. Maybe Casey Mize shows a glimmer of why he was a 1/1 after a year of Tommy John recovery. Waiting to hear how he looks this Spring. Haven't heard much. More likely that we take our lumps with the flameout of two 1/1's in the same year. Maybe Kenta shows he belongs on a major league pitching staff again. More likely that he's just done, one of those, once you lose it, it's just gone type of deals. Maybe Parker Meadows puts a full season together that looks like his August & September run of last year. You get that guy for a full season, he's an All-Star. More likely that he remains uneven, but frustratingly tantalizes us with flashes. I'll keep my hopes up that he's not another JaCoby Jones/Mikie Mahtook - who had these runs that made you think "wow, if they could put it all together". I don't think he is. I think he's better than that. They wouldn't have made the playoffs without him last year. Maybe Gleyber Torres lives in those power alleys, like I think he could. Not having that short porch in NYC tempting you into swinging out of your shoes might actually be a benefit for him. Show me a guy who hits line drives and I'll show you a guy that thrives at Comerica Park. More likely that he still takes long swings and flies out too much. Maybe Hao-Yu Lee is the Kerry Carpenter of this year. Nobody in the mainstream is talking about him but he looks like a guy who could possibly be someone who plays in such a manner that you CAN'T leave him out of the lineup. More likely that he gets tucked away in Toledo to make room for McKinstry and Baez, who bring next to nothing. Maybe our infield doesn't look like we have 3 or 4 DH's trying to prove something defensively. An infield with an just-learning Keith-Torres-Jung/McKinstry is not going to help our pitchers much. Don't know what to think of Sweeney and Baez in the field See, it's 17 degrees outside. The wind chill is 0. I have to shovel again today. I have a nasty cold. Not working today because of Felons Day, so I am kind of bored. February sucks, I need baseball desperately now. We need a live feed of Spring Training. I'll watch calisthenics, for crying out loud. Enough of this already. Just give me something other than speculation ! Give me green grass and sunny skies. Give me baseball NOW ! Bonus points if you can name that song reference - you'll need to be into Brit Pop Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted February 17 Posted February 17 (edited) 43 minutes ago, casimir said: Hmmmm..... Both Tiger Territory and Locked on Tigers podcasts speculating that Sweeney may not be as much of an Opening Day guarantee as many of us (myself included) might believe. As the band Gomez says - He's got Options. But again, we're gonna pass over Sweeney (and others) to make room for Zach McKinstry. Why? Because he's left handed? He's career .220 against right handed pitching. Because he can play multiple positions? So can most of the roster. This is like the Red Wings bringing back Dan Cleary for four years too long. I'd rather take my chances with Sweeney, Lee, or even Navigato. They all may suck, but who knows? I know what Zach is. Nothing personal, but he will give you those two weeks that make you think "Hey, what about this guy?" and then resort to sucking again. Raburn 2.0. He played multiple positions too. Edited February 17 by Motor City Sonics 1 Quote
1776 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 We’re headed to Lakeland Friday for a five game stretch beginning Saturday. We have never been down this early in the spring. It hit me after ordering tickets that it won’t even be daylight savings time yet! I was hoping to see Clark and McGonigle this year but they didn’t get an invite. Has anyone on the board here attended any of the workouts/games on the backfields in spring training? Is there seating? Anything? I called the Lakeland office and the person I spoke to said the minor league guys are out on the back fields from 10-12. Thanks for any info anybody has on this. Can’t help but remember hueytaxi when talking spring training. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: It's been speculated - by me. Am I any less credible than any of the "official" speculators that kept putting Bregman on the Tigers? Yes 1 Quote
Edman85 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, 1776 said: We’re headed to Lakeland Friday for a five game stretch beginning Saturday. We have never been down this early in the spring. It hit me after ordering tickets that it won’t even be daylight savings time yet! I was hoping to see Clark and McGonigle this year but they didn’t get an invite. Has anyone on the board here attended any of the workouts/games on the backfields in spring training? Is there seating? Anything? I called the Lakeland office and the person I spoke to said the minor league guys are out on the back fields from 10-12. Thanks for any info anybody has on this. Can’t help but remember hueytaxi when talking spring training. It's been 10 years, but I regularly did that from roughly 2010-2015. The facilities have changed significantly, but really you just walk back there. There used to be a guy in an orange hat who power tripped and kept people from going back there, but it's just free seating, get up close and personal, and don't be an autograph hound. Enter by the area behind the right field of the stadium, walk the path below and sit in the bleachers between the two fields. Once games get going, there's usually two games going at once. Edited February 17 by Edman85 1 2 Quote
theroundsquare Posted February 17 Posted February 17 12 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said: For anyone who might remember…. What was the reasoning behind non-tendering Bob Hamelin after 97? Not that he went on to do anything great after that, but he had a very solid year offensively. I remember being puzzled by that, too. Hamelin's LH power seemed like a good fit for Tiger Stadium. I always just chalked it up to Randy Smith being a bozo. Quote
Shinzaki Posted February 17 Posted February 17 What was really odd about Hamelin was the effect he had on the Tiger's offense the season he was here. I recall the offense being noticeably better after he signed. Why wouldn't you bring him back? Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 54 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: What was really odd about Hamelin was the effect he had on the Tiger's offense the season he was here. I recall the offense being noticeably better after he signed. Why wouldn't you bring him back? Or at least trade him for something coming off some good years. He was still on the right side of 30 at that point. Quote
IdahoBert Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/17/2025 at 6:36 AM, Motor City Sonics said: Maybe Javier Baez returns to career norms (which are much lower after 3 sad years here). What a revelation that would be to have the player we hoped we were getting. More likely we'll be hoping for a return to the Injured List by June. Maybe Tork's mental cleanse worked (I don't blame him for it, (they were ♫ twistin' his melon, man. I mean they talked so much hittin' they twisted his melon, man, call the cops ♫). How cool would it be to see him force his way onto this team by looking great? More likely that he's only on this team if there are injuries, or he's traded by St. Patty's Day. Maybe Casey Mize shows a glimmer of why he was a 1/1 after a year of Tommy John recovery. Waiting to hear how he looks this Spring. Haven't heard much. More likely that we take our lumps with the flameout of two 1/1's in the same year. Maybe Kenta shows he belongs on a major league pitching staff again. More likely that he's just done, one of those, once you lose it, it's just gone type of deals. Maybe Parker Meadows puts a full season together that looks like his August & September run of last year. You get that guy for a full season, he's an All-Star. More likely that he remains uneven, but frustratingly tantalizes us with flashes. I'll keep my hopes up that he's not another JaCoby Jones/Mikie Mahtook - who had these runs that made you think "wow, if they could put it all together". I don't think he is. I think he's better than that. They wouldn't have made the playoffs without him last year. Maybe Gleyber Torres lives in those power alleys, like I think he could. Not having that short porch in NYC tempting you into swinging out of your shoes might actually be a benefit for him. Show me a guy who hits line drives and I'll show you a guy that thrives at Comerica Park. More likely that he still takes long swings and flies out too much. Maybe Hao-Yu Lee is the Kerry Carpenter of this year. Nobody in the mainstream is talking about him but he looks like a guy who could possibly be someone who plays in such a manner that you CAN'T leave him out of the lineup. More likely that he gets tucked away in Toledo to make room for McKinstry and Baez, who bring next to nothing. Maybe our infield doesn't look like we have 3 or 4 DH's trying to prove something defensively. An infield with an just-learning Keith-Torres-Jung/McKinstry is not going to help our pitchers much. Don't know what to think of Sweeney and Baez in the field See, it's 17 degrees outside. The wind chill is 0. I have to shovel again today. I have a nasty cold. Not working today because of Felons Day, so I am kind of bored. February sucks, I need baseball desperately now. We need a live feed of Spring Training. I'll watch calisthenics, for crying out loud. Enough of this already. Just give me something other than speculation ! Give me green grass and sunny skies. Give me baseball NOW ! Bonus points if you can name that song reference - you'll need to be into Brit Pop Happy Mondays Quote
romad1 Posted February 18 Posted February 18 1 minute ago, IdahoBert said: Happy Mondays featured in the Edger Wright movie: "The Worlds End" 1 Quote
KL2 Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/16/2025 at 10:52 PM, monkeytargets39 said: For anyone who might remember…. What was the reasoning behind non-tendering Bob Hamelin after 97? Not that he went on to do anything great after that, but he had a very solid year offensively. Luis Gonzalez was signed 2 weeks before he was let go Quote
chasfh Posted February 18 Posted February 18 Fangraphs is out with its Top 100 prospects list which predictably differ substantially from Pipeline's. All of a sudden, here comes Troy Melton onto the national prospect scene. FG is projecting a 2025 debut for the kid. he was a fourth round draft pick and the Harris brain trust engineered some changes to his delivery that has raised his stock some. Doesn't look like FG has room for Rainer on their list but he's early yet and there's time. Quote
TigerNation Posted February 18 Posted February 18 10 minutes ago, chasfh said: Fangraphs is out with its Top 100 prospects list which predictably differ substantially from Pipeline's. All of a sudden, here comes Troy Melton onto the national prospect scene. FG is projecting a 2025 debut for the kid. he was a fourth round draft pick and the Harris brain trust engineered some changes to his delivery that has raised his stock some. Doesn't look like FG has room for Rainer on their list but he's early yet and there's time. Melton was flagged as someone who could make that jump prior to last season. He gave up a lot of HRs and the ERA was bad, but the peripherals were great. Surprised to see they went ahead and put him there. But he's one that I'm really looking forward to following. Quote
theroundsquare Posted February 18 Posted February 18 3 hours ago, KL2 said: Luis Gonzalez was signed 2 weeks before he was let go Ah, memories of Karim Garcia. He was the best player in Mexico, y'know Quote
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