2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[romad1]

I want both Bregman and Jung.  I also hope we can keep Tork and he somehow becomes a consistent 30hr a year guy.   I'm crazy that way.

[roarintiger1]

4 hours ago, romad1 said:

I feel like you've unleashed a truth here. 

My desired guarantee:   I want to be able to turn on Jason Benetti and whichever athlete-turned analyst and be able to see a 60-40 odds of a win on a given night.   I want them to win enough that they make the playoffs and defeat the Yankees (better that they lose than we win).  Then I want to see them have a puncher's chance against the Dodgers or whichever NL team got lucky and beat the Dodgers. 

Almost every Tiger fan would or at least should desire this..............................

[Tigeraholic1]

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[monkeytargets39]

I feel like at this point it’s pretty obvious that Bregman doesn’t want to come here and that if he does settle with us, it’ll just be because we give him the most money.  I think that he would actively hurt the morale and identity of the team that’s been built.   Just roll with Vierling and Jung.  Vierling has been an A+ guy to root for, and him playing 3B helps keep Wenceel in the regular lineup.

[romad1]

8 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I feel like at this point it’s pretty obvious that Bregman doesn’t want to come here and that if he does settle with us, it’ll just be because we give him the most money.  I think that he would actively hurt the morale and identity of the team that’s been built.   Just roll with Vierling and Jung.  Vierling has been an A+ guy to root for, and him playing 3B helps keep Wenceel in the regular lineup.

If the Tiger front office weren't signaling to the beat writers that they are optimistic about this I could agree with you.

[Tigermojo]

I enjoy Harris' strategy of signing vets to prove it one year deals and then flipping them for prospects. It's worked out great so far. Hopefully now it will shift to qualifying offers after helping the Tigers win. I'm fine if Bregman doesn't want to come here. It leaves more flexibility for Harris to be creative.

[Edman85]

Sharing here...

Because I think the Flaherty contract structure means the Tigers are planning on  being at least luxury tax adjacent next year.

 

 

[oblong]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

If the Tiger front office weren't signaling to the beat writers that they are optimistic about this I could agree with you.

I don’t think they signal anything to the beat writers.  Either way. 

[papalawrence]

I've seen a few interviews with Bregman over the years. He is a very confident guy. Feels he is the best player. I think the holdout is more about his wanting to top 200 mil. More an ego thing. 

[Sports_Freak]

2 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I feel like at this point it’s pretty obvious that Bregman doesn’t want to come here and that if he does settle with us, it’ll just be because we give him the most money.  I think that he would actively hurt the morale and identity of the team that’s been built.   Just roll with Vierling and Jung.  Vierling has been an A+ guy to root for, and him playing 3B helps keep Wenceel in the regular lineup.

TBH, I'm sick of his prima donna crap already. Go ahead, move on and go to the Cubbies. I hope he falls flat on his face. 😆

Unless he's just waiting and was gonna come here all along? And then, welcome aboard!! 🤣🤣

[Edman85]

Possible teams are waiting until 40 man roster spot can be cleared next week by the 60-Day IL next week.

[romad1]

21 minutes ago, oblong said:

I don’t think they signal anything to the beat writers.  Either way. 

elicitation is a skill of the journalist class.  Self-delusion is also possible among the less skilled.

[Tiger337]

I don't know why Bregman hasn't signed yet.  I don't know which teams have offered what.  I don't know how he feels about the Tigers.  I hope they get him.  

[Hongbit]

I think it’s all Boras.  He’s prepped Bregman this is all part of the process and ignore the noise and leave it to him to get the deal done.  

 

[monkeytargets39]

27 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Possible teams are waiting until 40 man roster spot can be cleared next week by the 60-Day IL next week.

I’d assume Gipson-Long would go to the 60-Day.

 

Have we heard anything about Langes timeline?

[gehringer_2]

33 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I’d assume Gipson-Long would go to the 60-Day.

 

Have we heard anything about Langes timeline?

IIRC Lange is supposed to be throwing bullpens by ST but still behind full participation—as per DetNews a couple of weeks ago. 

[Edman85]

8 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I’d assume Gipson-Long would go to the 60-Day.

 

Have we heard anything about Langes timeline?

Little plug for my sheet... I've got a tab where I log the official team injury updates:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jRnDAcv86yGYl1Tq6fdXD1VoGr2Ls5PiRBNEFBXHL3Y/edit?gid=885247594#gid=885247594

[chasfh]

12 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I feel like at this point it’s pretty obvious that Bregman doesn’t want to come here and that if he does settle with us, it’ll just be because we give him the most money.  I think that he would actively hurt the morale and identity of the team that’s been built.   Just roll with Vierling and Jung.  Vierling has been an A+ guy to root for, and him playing 3B helps keep Wenceel in the regular lineup.

I don’t mind the idea of being the team that gives him to most money. That part doesn’t bother me even a little. My issue is the idea of signing him to a six-year deal just so we can win this year. That’s what an organization would do out of desperation. I don’t think Harris is a desperate man. If we were to get Bregman, I would guess the terms would look similar to Flaherty and Alonso.

I also totally get people’s concern about the potential of his effect on the clubhouse. I would guess that’s a consideration of our brain trust, too.

[Tenacious D]

Yes, it’s similar to giving Prince Fielder a 7-year deal because Victor Martinez injured his leg in the offseason and we needed to replace his bat.

[Toddwert]

14 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I don’t mind the idea of being the team that gives him to most money. That part doesn’t bother me even a little. My issue is the idea of signing him to a six-year deal just so we can win this year. That’s what an organization would do out of desperation. I don’t think Harris is a desperate man. If we were to get Bregman, I would guess the terms would look similar to Flaherty and Alonso.

I also totally get people’s concern about the potential of his effect on the clubhouse. I would guess that’s a consideration of our brain trust, too.

getting a 3rd baseman when you been patching that position with utility players  doesnt shout desperation its a position of need... its not like getting another 2nd baseman for maybe a marginal gain in offense at a position you have depth and forcing a long term player to a position they have never played before.. thats the weird move we should be questioning 

[chasfh]

21 minutes ago, Toddwert said:

getting a 3rd baseman when you been patching that position with utility players  doesnt shout desperation its a position of need... its not like getting another 2nd baseman for maybe a marginal gain in offense at a position you have depth and forcing a long term player to a position they have never played before.. thats the weird move we should be questioning 

Sure, Bregman would be the best third baseman we could plug in this year. No argument from me on that. The question is, is he the best third baseman we can plug in for 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, and 2030 as well? And are the third base options we have in house for the next six years all demonstrably worse than what Bregman could bring us for the next six years? Is Jace Jung done here?

As for second base, Gleyber Torres, despite his glove, has enough of a track record with the bat that he is projected to deliver three wins this year. Will that not be good enough? Would you rather have the guy without the glove or the track record remain at second and the guy who is playing himself out of the big leagues stay at first?

Edited yesterday at 01:13 PM by chasfh

[Toddwert]

5 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Sure, Bregman would be the best third baseman we could plug in this year. No argument from me on that. The question is, is he the best third baseman we can plug in for 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, and 2030 as well? And are the third base options we have in house for the next six years all demonstrably worse than what Bregman could bring us for the next six years? Is Jace Jung done here?

As for second base, Gleyber Torres, despite his glove, has enough of a track record with the bat that he is projected to deliver three wins this year. Will that not be good enough? Would you rather have the guy without the glove or the track record remain at second and the guy who is playing himself out of the big leagues stay at first?

I guess i just hate moving Keith off a premium position to first were it seems like you could find a Sean Casey/ Carlos Santana type to fill that position id rather they let Keith work on 2nd more then one season since hes on a long term deal .... and yes its only one season but we only have Skubal for 2 seasons and if they bomb this season it might be less .... id rather see them more Jace To first really he doesnt seem to have the Athleticism for the left side of infield... but i could be wrong 

[gehringer_2]

9 minutes ago, Toddwert said:

I guess i just hate moving Keith off a premium position to first were it seems like you could find a Sean Casey/ Carlos Santana type to fill that position id rather they let Keith work on 2nd more then one season since hes on a long term deal .... and yes its only one season but we only have Skubal for 2 seasons and if they bomb this season it might be less .... id rather see them more Jace To first really he doesnt seem to have the Athleticism for the left side of infield... but i could be wrong 

Agree

[monkeytargets39]

Keith would end up getting moved in a couple seasons for McGonigle anyway.

 

[Tenacious D]

This made me laugh