2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[monkeytargets39]

I see the “Moe Howard” is apparently still a viable hairstyle in Japan….

[RatkoVarda]

I know he is seen as one of the CWS chuckleheads, but that's one more 3B option off the table

 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Toddwert said:

I guess i just hate moving Keith off a premium position to first were it seems like you could find a Sean Casey/ Carlos Santana type to fill that position id rather they let Keith work on 2nd more then one season since hes on a long term deal .... and yes its only one season but we only have Skubal for 2 seasons and if they bomb this season it might be less .... id rather see them more Jace To first really he doesnt seem to have the Athleticism for the left side of infield... but i could be wrong 

Yeah, I wish Colt had a good glove at second and Tork was jacking bombs and making plays on the regular at first again, but neither are the case, so what're you gonna do? If you're presented with a choice between an established big league hitter with a weak glove at second and a promising hitter with an unknown glove at first, versus the promising hitter with a weak glove at second and running back a guy washing out of the majors with both his bat and his glove at first, which one you gonna take? Neither is the bulletproof obvious choice, but speaking only for myself, I'd take option A over Option B.

OK, so what about Option C: Promising hitter with a weak glove at second and promising hitter with unknown glove at first? That's a bit closer in choice, but I think I would still take Option A over that, especially since every win really counts for us this year. That's just me, though. YMMV, as the kids of 2007 would say.

[chasfh]

Also, as for getting a Sean Casey/Carlos Santana-type for first base, I know people hate it when they are asked this, but, who might you have in mind? Sean Casey is retired, and Carlos Santana wasn't coming here. I would have liked Christian Walker but apparently that wasn't going to work for one or the other parties, and same probably went for Pete Alonso. Justin Turner? Anthony Rizzo? Mark Canha? Who's a fit? Then what about 2026?

[chasfh]

8 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

I know he is seen as one of the CWS chuckleheads, but that's one more 3B option off the table

 

Honestly, I think the only two options the Tigers are considering anymore are Bregman (hopefully only for a year), or Jace Jung now. I don't think Harris is trolling the wires for a third option. But hey, could be wrong ...

[RatkoVarda]

Just now, chasfh said:

Honestly, I think the only two options the Tigers are considering anymore are Bregman (hopefully only for a year), or Jace Jung now. I don't think Harris is trolling the wires for a third option. But hey, could be wrong ...

yeah, we don't know. But adding just Torres to a poor line up seems underwhelming

[Edman85]

12 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I’d assume Gipson-Long would go to the 60-Day.

 

Have we heard anything about Langes timeline?

Answering your question instead of sending people to my sheet...

Both were throwing 3X a week two months ago. I bet they are both 60 day candidates. Even if close to ready, you have 30 days on rehab assignment (60 days in SGL's case because of the special TJ rule), so if they are close for game action by late April, you are covered.

Mattson could also theoretically be IL'ed, but that starts his service clock unnecessarily. They did this with Freddy Pacheco a couple years ago, but he was claimed too late to be optioned, so it was the only way to keep him .

[chasfh]

I don't know why people think Torres is a poor hitter. He's a 112 OPS+ lifetime hitter and still only 28. He has slashed .283/.377/.623 with five bombs in 61 plate trips at Comerica. Why do people think he's weak?

[Tiger337]

3 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

yeah, we don't know. But adding just Torres to a poor line up seems underwhelming

It is underwhelming which is why they got him so easily.  I do think it was a good one-year signing though.  

[Longgone]

22 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Yeah, I wish Colt had a good glove at second and Tork was jacking bombs and making plays on the regular at first again, but neither are the case, so what're you gonna do? If you're presented with a choice between an established big league hitter with a weak glove at second and a promising hitter with an unknown glove at first, versus the promising hitter with a weak glove at second and running back a guy washing out of the majors with both his bat and his glove at first, which one you gonna take? Neither is the bulletproof obvious choice, but speaking only for myself, I'd take option A over Option B.

OK, so what about Option C: Promising hitter with a weak glove at second and promising hitter with unknown glove at first? That's a bit closer in choice, but I think I would still take Option A over that, especially since every win really counts for us this year. That's just me, though. YMMV, as the kids of 2007 would say.

They have retained all those options 

[chasfh]

Just now, Longgone said:

They have retained all those options 

Correct, every one of those options is available to them. The question is which option do they go for first. Obviously, it's Option A, because they made a deal specifically to make that option happen. If that goes tits up, which option is up next depends on where we are vis a vis the Tork problem.

[Toddwert]

26 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Also, as for getting a Sean Casey/Carlos Santana-type for first base, I know people hate it when they are asked this, but, who might you have in mind? Sean Casey is retired, and Carlos Santana wasn't coming here. I would have liked Christian Walker but apparently that wasn't going to work for one or the other parties, and same probably went for Pete Alonso. Justin Turner? Anthony Rizzo? Mark Canha? Who's a fit? Then what about 2026?

Ty France, Patrick Wisdom, Donovan Solano, josh bell, jake Bauers... but im sure they all suck and wont come to detroit ... i know this tired song and dance

[Tenacious D]

37 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I don't know why people think Torres is a poor hitter. He's a 112 OPS+ lifetime hitter and still only 28. He has slashed .283/.377/.623 with five bombs in 61 plate trips at Comerica. Why do people think he's weak?

Agree—very bullish on him this season.  Always had the hitting talent and is highly motivated to get his next contract.  Better career numbers in Comerica than Bregman.

[Tiger337]

10 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

Agree—very bullish on him this season.  Always had the hitting talent and is highly motivated to get his next contract.  Better career numbers in Comerica than Bregman.

Was he not highly motivated last year?  

 

Edited yesterday at 04:06 PM by Tiger337

[Tenacious D]

2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Was he not highly moivated last year?  

Don’t know, but he might have read the offseason and realized he needed to improve his stock.  

[chasfh]

29 minutes ago, Toddwert said:

Ty France, Patrick Wisdom, Donovan Solano, josh bell, jake Bauers... but im sure they all suck and wont come to detroit ... i know this tired song and dance

Yes, they all suck, aren’t full-timers, or are past their sell-by dates. Only Solano was not sub-replacement last year, and he’s 37 and played mostly third base. Committing a year to a guy just because we’ve heard of him is a high risk, because when they inevitably wash out, then what next? And then, what about next year?

Like Harris’s strategy or not, it is one that is trying to since a problem for the next few years, not for a single year only to start back at square one all over again.

[Edman85]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I don't know why people think Torres is a poor hitter. He's a 112 OPS+ lifetime hitter and still only 28. He has slashed .283/.377/.623 with five bombs in 61 plate trips at Comerica. Why do people think he's weak?

That's the $64 dollar question.

[Tiger337]

10 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Like Harris’s strategy or not, it is one that is trying to since a problem for the next few years, not for a single year only to start back at square one all over again.

I don't understand what you are saying here.  Most of Harris's contracts are for one year only.  

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I don't know why people think Torres is a poor hitter. He's a 112 OPS+ lifetime hitter and still only 28. He has slashed .283/.377/.623 with five bombs in 61 plate trips at Comerica. Why do people think he's weak?

Small sample size alert! 61 PA?  I don't think he's weak offensively though. He's not a good defender and not willing to move to different positions,  but again that's why they got him so easy.  

[chasfh]

5 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

That's the $64 dollar question.

[chasfh]

4 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I don't understand what you are saying here.  Most of Harris's contracts are for one year only.  

There’s a plan for second base and the rotation after this year.

[Edman85]

51 minutes ago, Toddwert said:

Ty France, Patrick Wisdom, Donovan Solano, josh bell, jake Bauers... but im sure they all suck and wont come to detroit ... i know this tired song and dance

France is the only free agent among that bunch.

[chasfh]

2 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

France is the only free agent among that bunch.

I assumed he was talking either free agent or trade.

Edited yesterday at 04:32 PM by chasfh

[SoCalTiger]

So Flattery is now confirmed who is cut off the roster or is there a trade coming ?

[Edman85]

30 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I assumed he was talking either free agent or trade.

All are recently signed, which means if they were signed to an MLB deal, they have a no-trade until June 15. Wisdom is overseas: Japan or Korea, too lazy to Google it.

Edited yesterday at 05:02 PM by Edman85