Toddwert Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 21 minutes ago, casimir said: Try him at 3B again? I think they would have more succes with putting Keith back to 3rd and for anyone worked up about 3 months of Bergman talk stay away from College recruiting this was nothing compared to a 17 year old teasing you Edited February 13 by Toddwert 1 1 Quote
Klondike Posted February 13 Posted February 13 27 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Assuming that the 6-170+ offer the Tigers made is real (I believe it), I think the Cubs are the team they used to drive up Boston's number IMO... Basically Bregman had one long term offer he would consider and a couple of teams interested in the shorter term play, and he used one to drive up the price for the other. I'm glad it's over.... I would like to think this should put to rest any of the "ownership won't spend" hot takes, but that's probably optimistic lol In theory he was a perfect fit here. That's why the Tigers went all in. But he's a pure pull hitter that took advantage of Houston's short porch and will do the same in Boston. Bregman doesn't have enormous power. Comerica would have frustrated him, anyway. In fact, he made the right choice. 1 Quote
romad1 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 15 minutes ago, Toddwert said: I think they would have more succes with putting Keith back to 3rd and for anyone worked up about 3 months of Bergman talk stay away from College recruiting this was nothing compared to a 17 year old teasing you Too true Quote
romad1 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I'm both willing to allow Tork to show amazing Spring effort and results and ready to move on from him in exchange for something tangible. My mental template (confirmed from the interview from yesterday) is that he's stubborn and anti-process. If he were Rube Waddel i.e., could be amazing whilst being viewed by all as "eccentric", then maybe we could make an allowance for him to be anti-process. If I were he, I'd do an interview today in which i suddenly am 1000% behind hard work and a data-driven approach to success. Quote
RedRamage Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Can't say as I blame Bregman for taking the Boston deal at all. Seems like the best move for him personally. I don't like that he's not coming here, but I do like that the Tigers (ie, Ilitch) was willing to offer a big deal for a FA. Obviously this doesn't mean that Harris has full permission to spend a lot whenever/however he wants, but the fact that they apparently were willing to spend here seems encounraging. 1 Quote
Tigermojo Posted February 13 Posted February 13 https://www.mlb.com/tigers/news/john-brebbia-tigers-free-agent-contract Sounds like Brebbia was used too much in Chicago. He's much better with 25 pitches or less. With him and Kahnle they can come in, strike a couple guys out and get out of an inning. Something they lacked last year. Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) Red Sox fans will rue the day they overspent for this declining hack As Dusty says in Twister "Imminent Ruage" He's gonna end up being Pablo 2.0 Maybe some of you remember this. Rich Aurilia - free agent 2003. We all wanted him. He went to Seattle so we went to the Mariners and said "Fine, we'll take Carlos Guillen" One of the best things that ever happened to the Tigers. Same thing here. NOT getting Bregman at 40 mil (or whatever he wanted for 6 years here), is going to end up benefitting the Tigers. Edited February 13 by Motor City Sonics Quote
chasfh Posted February 13 Posted February 13 8 hours ago, Tiger337 said: There was room for both and the salary comparison is apples and oranges given where they are at in their careers It's done though. I wish it wasn't the Red Sox who got him. I hate seeing them get someone the Tigers wanted. I have a Red Sox fan buddy who is not exactly happy with the signing, mainly because of Bregman’s involvement with the trash can scheme. He also hates A.J. Hinch for the same reason and is dumbfounded as to why I am not screaming every day for Hinch’s head on a platter. Quote
chasfh Posted February 13 Posted February 13 8 hours ago, Tiger337 said: He has to make the team first. Is he better than Holton, Brieske, Foley, Vest, Kahnlee. Hurter, Guenther, Hanifee? Maybe, but those guys were pretty good last year. He does add some depth though which is crucial today. Barring abject collapse or injury, Brebbia will make the team. That won’t be an open question. It’s not as though these guys are all fighting for the last spot in the pen. Most of the guys you list are coming north. Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Okay. Probable Roster Catchers - Rogers, Dingler Infielders - Keith, Torres, Sweeney, Baez, Ibanez, Jung Outfielders - Carpenter, Meadows, Greene, Vierling, Perez I don't know where McKinstry, Tork and Malloy fit Vs. Right Green-Meadows-Carpenter Jung-Sweeney-Torres-Keith Rogers Perez (DH) Vs. Left Green-Meadows-Vierling Ibanez-Baez-Torres-Keith Dingler The DH will be kind of a rotating position, giving guys a day out of the sun. I still think Baez is gumming up the works here Quote
ICroupier Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Klondike said: They have to concentrate on getting pitchers here. Sluggers will rarely want to hit in Comerica unless its godly money. Sign Skubal There's no chance in hell the Tigers are re-signing Skubal. He'll land $250M+, and it sure as hell ain't coming from us. 2 Quote
4hzglory Posted February 13 Posted February 13 28 minutes ago, chasfh said: I have a Red Sox fan buddy who is not exactly happy with the signing, mainly because of Bregman’s involvement with the trash can scheme. He also hates A.J. Hinch for the same reason and is dumbfounded as to why I am not screaming every day for Hinch’s head on a platter. But he’s ok with Cora who by all reports was more directly involved in supporting it than Hinch? Quote
chasfh Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, 4hzglory said: But he’s ok with Cora who by all reports was more directly involved in supporting it than Hinch? My buddy is not exactly OK with Cora but he has made his uneasy peace with that. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 9 hours ago, Tenacious D said: His lifetime BA at Comerica is .220. And he has an opt out after this season. Where would you go to reestablish your value in hopes of a better contract? yup - looking at his relative performance in the two venues, we probably should have just ignored all the talk from the beginning. 2 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Edman85 said: If they are making a $120M investment based on a 98 PA sample, that is a mistake. for the Sox probably, but the for Bregman it's still his best available estimator of where he should have gone. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, romad1 said: I think/wonder if Boras and Bregman chose them to drive up the AAV as much as possible to have Boston beat Detroit's offer. Or, Bregman's family wants to be in Boston. Who knows. He's back on the market in November if we wanted to try kicking that football again. Only if he opts out. He would be walking away from $80 million. I don't see it happening, even if he declares free agency. Good luck to the greedy idiot. Quote
Tiger337 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: I think Bregman's contract ensures this. 40 m per? That's crazy....if that's the new going price for signing established players, i see going with youth (controlled cost players.) That's crazy money.. I prefer this kind of contract to long-term deals for 30-year olds. I hope there are more deals like this in the future. Quote
Longgone Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Toddwert said: I think they would have more succes with putting Keith back to 3rd It’s a shame his arm has never come back. Quote
Tiger337 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 36 minutes ago, chasfh said: Barring abject collapse or injury, Brebbia will make the team. That won’t be an open question. It’s not as though these guys are all fighting for the last spot in the pen. Most of the guys you list are coming north. I know he'll make it. That was just my way of saying that he doesn't really improve the roster if everyone is healthy. Quote
romad1 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 what would have a better impact? A long term contract for Skubal or Fetter? Quote
IdahoBert Posted February 13 Posted February 13 This whole Bregman thing was an unsightly illusion. We never really had a chance. It’s like the Tigers were Fredo Corleone pleading his case saying “I’m shmart too!“ We never really had a chance against Chicago and Boston. I think any expectations that Bregman will fail in Boston are hopeful thinking. Some line drives off the monster may play for doubles and sometimes even singles, but this guy is going to make contact and I think he’ll be fine at Fenway. Quote
chasfh Posted February 13 Posted February 13 58 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I know he'll make it. That was just my way of saying that he doesn't really improve the roster if everyone is healthy. Maybe he doesn't. Or maybe he does. One or the other. Pitchers can and have dramatically improved once they've gotten here. We'll see whether the Fetter team see anything in him we don't. Quote
Tiger337 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, chasfh said: Maybe he doesn't. Or maybe he does. One or the other. Pitchers can and have dramatically improved once they've gotten here. We'll see whether the Fetter team see anything in him we don't. Yes, there is that, but you coud say the same thing about a no name pitcher pulled off waivers. . Quote
papalawrence Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 50 minutes ago, IdahoBert said: This whole Bregman thing was an unsightly illusion. We never really had a chance. It’s like the Tigers were Fredo Corleone pleading his case saying “I’m shmart too!“ We never really had a chance against Chicago and Boston. I think any expectations that Bregman will fail in Boston are hopeful thinking. Some line drives off the monster may play for doubles and sometimes even singles, but this guy is going to make contact and I think he’ll be fine at Fenway. I agree. Per multiple sources Detroit's offer was ~6/170. He was holding out to see if one of the other teams would trump that. Instead he took the Boston offer. The tea leaves tell me Det had to go 7/200 to have a shot at him. Edited February 13 by papalawrence Quote
papalawrence Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Per Passan the 3/120 contains "significant deferred money." He just didn't want to come to Detroit. Onward and upward with a little sideways....... Quote
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