chasfh Posted February 13 Posted February 13 23 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Yes, there is that, but you coud say the same thing about a no name pitcher pulled off waivers. . Depends on the pitcher and his skill set. Quote
romad1 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, papalawrence said: Per Passan the 3/120 contains "significant deferred money." He just didn't want to come to Detroit. Onward and upward with a little sideways....... now Detroit gets another villain. Quote
Tiger337 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, chasfh said: Depends on the pitcher and his skill set. I would assume that any pitcher they acquire by any means has a skill set with which they think they can work. Quote
Tiger337 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 hours ago, Edman85 said: If they are making a $120M investment based on a 98 PA sample, that is a mistake. They aren't. 😀 Quote
Tiger337 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I am glad the Tigers apparently made a solid offer to Bregman. It gives me hope that they won't be shy whe the right players are available. As for hitters not wanting to come to Detroit, the flip side is they were able to sign Flaherty probably because Deroit is is a favorable environment for pitchers for multiple reasons. 2 Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: Okay. Probable Roster Catchers - Rogers, Dingler Infielders - Keith, Torres, Sweeney, Baez, Ibanez, Jung Outfielders - Carpenter, Meadows, Greene, Vierling, Perez I don't know where McKinstry, Tork and Malloy fit Vs. Right Green-Meadows-Carpenter Jung-Sweeney-Torres-Keith Rogers Perez (DH) Vs. Left Green-Meadows-Vierling Ibanez-Baez-Torres-Keith Dingler The DH will be kind of a rotating position, giving guys a day out of the sun. I still think Baez is gumming up the works here I can see a world where Jung doesn’t make the team out of ST, and we platoon McKinstry and Ibanez at 3B. C- Rogers, Dingler IF- Keith, Torres, Sweeney, Baez, McKinstry, Ibanez OF- Greene, Meadows, Vierling, Carpenter, and Perez/Malloy. This way they option down Tork, Jung and the other or Perez/Malloy and don’t have to DFA McKinstry since he’s out of options and Hinch has his Swiss Army knife defensively for pinch hitting situations. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 14 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I am glad the Tigers apparently made a solid offer to Bregman. It gives me hope that they won't be shy whe the right players are available. As for hitters not wanting to come to Detroit, the flip side is they were able to sign Flaherty probably because Deroit is is a favorable environment for pitchers for multiple reasons. I’d rather be able to sign pitchers and have to develop hitters than the other way around. 1 Quote
romad1 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 16 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: I’d rather be able to sign pitchers and have to develop hitters than the other way around. very sensible. Quote
Arlington Posted February 13 Posted February 13 It is nice to see that when we shed players from the 40-man, other teams (well, at least Tampa) are now willing to give up a little to put them on their roster. Quote
Tiger337 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 21 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: I’d rather be able to sign pitchers and have to develop hitters than the other way around. I would also rather they develop hitters. Pitchers are fragile and thus it's difficult to build a foundation centering around pitching. There is always going to be a need for pitchers whereas I think you can build a position player foundation which lasts for a few years. 3 Quote
SoCalTiger Posted February 13 Posted February 13 What I see as the main problem with Bregman signing in Boston is we spent the whole off season wishing on one player and now the cubbard is bare and we still need another right-handed bat. I guess we are left with Torkelson at DH - Verling at 3B and Carpenter in RF which means our overall defense is going to be shaky. Jung can't play third base and obviously Harris knows that given the 7 yr offer. So we are back to playing players out of position or having spring tryouts for third base. The loss of Bregman is compounded by the lack of a true third baseman. Maybe Hau Yu Lee can play their base ? Circle back to Arenando ? Quote
oblong Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I really think that what happens in negotiations is far different than what is portrayed or inferred by the media. I don't think it's like the Moneyball movie with everyone calling back and forth and people on hold an dhanging up.... These are all smart people who can read tea leaves better than internet scribes. Nobody's playing anybody. They will be working together in other situations so you don't burn bridges or act stupid. Point is, it's not dramatic. Quote
Tigermojo Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Sweeney might be an option at third if Baez is healthy. They have flexibility at third, right and DH. They are going to have guys in Toledo with ML experience. Whoever hits will get a position. Quote
theroundsquare Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) I don't think the Tigers really ought to be interested in Arenado. The point of a RH third basemen is to hit LH pitching, and for a few years Arenado has actually hit RH pitching much better than LH pitching (and hasn't hit LH pitching very well). Unless they just want somebody who can actually play 3B, he isn't the solution. Edited February 13 by theroundsquare Quote
Sports_Freak Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 hours ago, IdahoBert said: This whole Bregman thing was an unsightly illusion. We never really had a chance. It’s like the Tigers were Fredo Corleone pleading his case saying “I’m shmart too!“ We never really had a chance against Chicago and Boston. I think any expectations that Bregman will fail in Boston are hopeful thinking. Some line drives off the monster may play for doubles and sometimes even singles, but this guy is going to make contact and I think he’ll be fine at Fenway. Yeah, he will. But for $40 million per season? That kinda money is obscene. 50 home runs, 140 RBI and a .340 average. And still not worth it. I hope Boston loses 90 games this season. Quote
Archie Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I’m good with Bregman not signing with the Tigers. I don’t think he would have been that much of an upgrade for what they would have to pay. They can invest that money into a better player in the future. Quote
1776 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Bregman just suckered the Red Sox out of $120 million for three years…if he sticks around that long. I don’t think he’ll do better than that on a deal going forward. I’m glad he signed elsewhere. If the Tigers were honestly in on Bregman and were very close to Boston in money/years offered, why no interest in Chapman last year? Matt Chapman signed a $151 million deal for six years in San Francisco. Maybe Harris was interested but I’ve never heard anything to suggest as much. I don’t have any idea that Chapman would have been interested in Detroit. Then and now, I believe Chapman would have been the center piece of the infield, whatever Baez’ health status. Spring training will be interesting. The infield needs to be better than what I’m seeing on paper. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, 1776 said: Bregman just suckered the Red Sox out of $120 million for three years…if he sticks around that long. I don’t think he’ll do better than that on a deal going forward. I’m glad he signed elsewhere. If the Tigers were honestly in on Bregman and were very close to Boston in money/years offered, why no interest in Chapman last year? Matt Chapman signed a $151 million deal for six years in San Francisco. Maybe Harris was interested but I’ve never heard anything to suggest as much. I don’t have any idea that Chapman would have been interested in Detroit. Then and now, I believe Chapman would have been the center piece of the infield, whatever Baez’ health status. Spring training will be interesting. The infield needs to be better than what I’m seeing on paper. Chapman may have been interested with a bigger contract than he got in San Francisco. Unless he really wanted to play there. I mean, how much money does somebody need? There's nothing you can do with $175 million that you couldn't do with $150 million. Quote
1776 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, Archie said: I’m good with Bregman not signing with the Tigers. I don’t think he would have been that much of an upgrade for what they would have to pay. They can invest that money into a better player in the future. Agree with your point but, short a trade in the very near future, the Tigers infield is a concern to start the season. Quote
1776 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Just now, Sports_Freak said: Chapman may have been interested with a bigger contract than he got in San Francisco. Unless he really wanted to play there. I mean, how much money does somebody need? There's nothing you can do with $175 million that you couldn't do with $150 million. He’s happy in SF playing for Bob Melvin and close to home. I’d really like to know whether Harris even picked up the phone to inquire about Chapman at the time though. It’s worked out well for Chapman. As far as how much money is enough, 🤷🏼… Quote
Tiger337 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 12 minutes ago, Archie said: I’m good with Bregman not signing with the Tigers. I don’t think he would have been that much of an upgrade for what they would have to pay. They can invest that money into a better player in the future. I think signing him would have substatntially boosted their chances of making the playoffs the next couple of years. 2 Quote
Tiger337 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 18 minutes ago, 1776 said: Bregman just suckered the Red Sox out of $120 million for three years…if he sticks around that long. I don’t think he’ll do better than that on a deal going forward. I’m glad he signed elsewhere. If the Tigers were honestly in on Bregman and were very close to Boston in money/years offered, why no interest in Chapman last year? Matt Chapman signed a $151 million deal for six years in San Francisco. Maybe Harris was interested but I’ve never heard anything to suggest as much. I don’t have any idea that Chapman would have been interested in Detroit. Then and now, I believe Chapman would have been the center piece of the infield, whatever Baez’ health status. Spring training will be interesting. The infield needs to be better than what I’m seeing on paper. I don't know why they didn't appear to have interest in Chapman. He was my #1 target. Perhaps, it was easier to convince ownership to get involved this year after making the playoffs last year. Edited February 13 by Tiger337 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said: I can see a world where Jung doesn’t make the team out of ST, and we platoon McKinstry and Ibanez at 3B. C- Rogers, Dingler IF- Keith, Torres, Sweeney, Baez, McKinstry, Ibanez OF- Greene, Meadows, Vierling, Carpenter, and Perez/Malloy. This way they option down Tork, Jung and the other or Perez/Malloy and don’t have to DFA McKinstry since he’s out of options and Hinch has his Swiss Army knife defensively for pinch hitting situations. I would bet this is the exact plan, unless Tork or Jung blow away expectations- and honestly, that’s pretty hard to do in 50 ST PA. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 21 minutes ago, 1776 said: Spring training will be interesting. The infield needs to be better than what I’m seeing on paper. yup. It will be hard for the pitching to look good if this IF plays down as far as it easily could. 1 Quote
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