monkeytargets39 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I would bet this is the exact plan, unless Tork or Jung blow away expectations- and honestly, that’s pretty hard to do in 50 ST PA. Then Tork needs to absolutely mash at Toledo and play improved defense to make it back up. Jung gets an extended time to play either 2B or 3B with a healthy wrist to see what he’s fully capable of- and if we are out of contention come August/September, then we sell off Gleyber to the highest bidder and bring up Jung. Whichever of Wenceel and Malloy doesn’t make the team is the one on the fast track to Detroit in the event of an injury since we could move Vierling to 3B if it’s an infield injury. And if Hao Yu Lee surpasses Jung at Toledo, then so be it. Quote
KL2 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, SoCalTiger said: What I see as the main problem with Bregman signing in Boston is we spent the whole off season wishing on one player and now the cubbard is bare and we still need another right-handed bat. I guess we are left with Torkelson at DH - Verling at 3B and Carpenter in RF which means our overall defense is going to be shaky. Jung can't play third base and obviously Harris knows that given the 7 yr offer. So we are back to playing players out of position or having spring tryouts for third base. The loss of Bregman is compounded by the lack of a true third baseman. Maybe Hau Yu Lee can play their base ? Circle back to Arenando ? i don't think it's fair to say they spend the whole offseason wishing for one player. They wanted him no question. But they did sign Torres and sign two starters to help improve the team. In terms of other RH bats. Literally four other 3rd basemen have signed and all suck. Keith from all indications was heading to first no matter what so you lose that spot. They kicked around on Stranander and the other right handed hitting outfeilders were a bunch of meh. They wanted a really good player and missed. Btu still was one of the more active teams on the market and will see payroll go up next year. That is certainly not just wishing for one player. 1 Quote
KL2 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 5 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: Then Tork needs to absolutely mash at Toledo and play improved defense to make it back up. Jung gets an extended time to play either 2B or 3B with a healthy wrist to see what he’s fully capable of- and if we are out of contention come August/September, then we sell off Gleyber to the highest bidder and bring up Jung. Whichever of Wenceel and Malloy doesn’t make the team is the one on the fast track to Detroit in the event of an injury since we could move Vierling to 3B if it’s an infield injury. And if Hao Yu Lee surpasses Jung at Toledo, then so be it. I dont get why people are so eager for Jace and so quick to just say dumb Tork. Jace hasn't shown much at the ML level either. 2 Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Tigers offered him $15 million more over 6 years than the Astros. 28.5 million a year and he said no. Screw him. We don't need him. We made the playoffs without him last year, then beat his team in the first round. I hope he goes full Sandoval on the Red Sox. Quote
Tenacious D Posted February 13 Posted February 13 30 minutes ago, KL2 said: I dont get why people are so eager for Jace and so quick to just say dumb Tork. Jace hasn't shown much at the ML level either. Small sample size for Jung, but he outhit Colt Keith based on how they both started their careers. And Jung was performing with a bum wrist. 1 Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted February 13 Author Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Archie said: I’m good with Bregman not signing with the Tigers. I don’t think he would have been that much of an upgrade for what they would have to pay. They can invest that money into a better player in the future. I wholeheartedly agree. I am not a huge Bregman fan. I think in Boston he'll be as good as he's had been but I don't see anything to suggest he gets better. In terms of Torkelson. How would you guys feel about a Torkelson for Henry Davis trade? This could be a change of scenery for both players. If we can get Davis into a serviceable C, he has the potential to be a big upgrade. Pittsburgh could use a 1B of the future. This is one I'd love to explore. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 29 minutes ago, KL2 said: I dont get why people are so eager for Jace and so quick to just say dumb Tork. Jace hasn't shown much at the ML level either. The thing with Torkelson is that even if he is committed to being a different kind of hitter, he might need 250 AB at AAA to work out the kinks, yet there is going to be a strong drive to fall back to what he's comfortable with if he's trying win a spot in ST. In that sense maybe telling him he has no spot so he's resigned to time at AAA is the right approach. (?) Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 44 minutes ago, KL2 said: I dont get why people are so eager for Jace and so quick to just say dumb Tork. Jace hasn't shown much at the ML level either. Torkelson has had 1500 plate appearances of being a below 100 ops+ first baseman and it’s not like he makes up for it with defense. I’m not saying we should dump Tork, but what’s his role at this point on the ML club after moving Keith and signing Torres? Are we gonna use a roster spot on a guy to be a backup first baseman or a platoon DH? I don’t see it when McKinstry can play anywhere, Ibanez mashes lefties and Wenceel switch hits and can play all three OF spots. I also trust Malloy more as a DH platoon at this point. Tork has to be a plus hitter to make this team right now and for the future. Jung just needs a chance to play before we fully determine what we’ve got with him. It’ll be moot anyway once McGonigle comes up and also possibly Lee. So I’m not sky high on Jung—but he does play positions that we don’t have long term answers for right now, so there’s a reason to give him a look. Edited February 13 by monkeytargets39 Quote
1776 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 This podcast is dedicated to discussing the Tigers Farm System. Really good. 1 Quote
romad1 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, 1776 said: This podcast is dedicated to discussing the Tigers Farm System. Really good. Concur. this pod helped me shovel all the snow in my cul-de-sac the other night. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 14 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: I also trust Malloy more I agree with you up to here. I'm not seeing a ML hitter in Malloy yet either. And oddly he's got just a slightly different version but pretty much the same problem Torkelson does- he hasn't shown he can put strikes in play for hits. Once pitchers figured out to not let him walk, he hasn't done much either. Edited February 13 by gehringer_2 Quote
romad1 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 16 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I agree with you up to here. I'm not seeing a ML hitter in Malloy yet either. And oddly he's got just a slightly different version but pretty much the same problem Torkelson does- he hasn't shown he can put strikes in play for hits. Once pitchers figured out to not let him walk, he hasn't done much either. i trust Malloy to figure this out though. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 29 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I agree with you up to here. I'm not seeing a ML hitter in Malloy yet either. And oddly he's got just a slightly different version but pretty much the same problem Torkelson does- he hasn't shown he can put strikes in play for hits. Once pitchers figured out to not let him walk, he hasn't done much either. I mostly meant that I prefer Malloy as a platoon DH vs LHP than I do Torkelson at this point. If one was to be an every day player, I’d take Torkelson Quote
Edman85 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Putting a pin for this... I am not necessarily saying this was a reason not to sign him, but in terms of something to track going forward, if the Tigers hit on their second rounder this year or hit on a pick taken with under slot money saved on the second rounder, remember that wouldn't have happened if Bregman signed. 1 Quote
RatkoVarda Posted February 13 Posted February 13 hard to believe they have enough offense as currently constructed to contend maybe there is a spring training shocker trade, otherwise might be waiting until trade deadline for help Quote
Tenacious D Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Just now, RatkoVarda said: hard to believe they have enough offense as currently constructed to contend maybe there is a spring training shocker trade, otherwise might be waiting until trade deadline for help The playoff team that added Torres and have multiple rookies with a year/partial year under their belt? And the lineup that will benefit from full seasons of Carp, Greene and Meadows? We’re good Quote
papalawrence Posted February 13 Posted February 13 If they stand pat and stay mostly healthy, I believe they can contend in the Central. Add major injuries, especially to the few key bats that they have, then I believe it's doubtful. A lot went right down the stretch last season. I think I like Jace's chances more than most of you. He is a gamer. He'll put in any needed extra time. I believe he'll figure it out. Maybe remain a below average fielder, but I think he is going to hit and scrap and do little things that help them win. He has that grit. And a cool last name (I'm a mental health professional) Quote
gehringer_2 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 59 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: I mostly meant that I prefer Malloy as a platoon DH vs LHP than I do Torkelson at this point. If one was to be an every day player, I’d take Torkelson ✔️ Quote
1776 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6134939/2025/02/13/alex-bregman-detroit-tigers-rejection/ Cody Stavenhagen in the athletic today: Alex Bregman’s rejection of the Tigers is a reminder of harsh realities LAKELAND, Fla. — The Detroit Tigers courted Alex Bregman all winter. Chose to pass on other free agents. Based their offseason on hopes of landing the star third baseman. It still was not enough. “Breg is an all-time player,” said relief pitcher Alex Lange, Bregman’s college teammate at LSU. “Before I played with Miguel Cabrera, he was probably the best player I’ve ever played with. His intuition for the game and everything like that is second to none. … I’m happy to see him get his money. Wish it would have been with us.” To their credit, the Tigers made a compelling effort. Detroit offered Bregman six years and about $171 million with an opt-out after 2026, per a league source. The Tigers, per the source, did not offer Bregman an opt-out after the first year of his deal. He ended up signing with the Boston Red Sox on a three-year contract worth $140 million, featuring opt-outs after both 2025 and 2026. Bregman chose a higher AAV, more opt-out flexibility, a friendlier ballpark and a more prestigious franchise. Edited February 13 by 1776 Quote
Toddwert Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, 1776 said: This podcast is dedicated to discussing the Tigers Farm System. Really good. unfortnately Kiernan is still on the show taking up space Quote
Tiger337 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, RatkoVarda said: hard to believe they have enough offense as currently constructed to contend maybe there is a spring training shocker trade, otherwise might be waiting until trade deadline for help They can contend in the Central Division. According to FanGraphs, these are the projected wins: Minnesota 83 Detroit 82 Kansas City 81 Cleveland 77 Chicago 63 Quote
KL2 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: The thing with Torkelson is that even if he is committed to being a different kind of hitter, he might need 250 AB at AAA to work out the kinks, yet there is going to be a strong drive to fall back to what he's comfortable with if he's trying win a spot in ST. In that sense maybe telling him he has no spot so he's resigned to time at AAA is the right approach. (?) Yeah it might be. I guess i just dont get why so many want jung so bad and want to bring out the pitchforks for tork or he's done or move on or what not, so definitively. This time he was a guy we were counting on and a guy with an arrow pointing up given how he finished 2023. He fell flat last year (albeit still with a positive war) but is that one year enough to just write off a 25 year old No. 1 pick? I dunno i guess i just want to see if that guy bounces back before saying he's done. It has happened before that guys just have bad years. Edited February 13 by KL2 Quote
Tiger337 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Just now, Tiger337 said: Their infield is their weakest link, but they can contend in the Central Division. According to FanGraphs, these are the projected wins: Minnesota 83 Detroit 82 Kansas City 81 Cleveland 77 Chicago 63 Quote
Tiger337 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, KL2 said: Yeah it might be. I guess i just dont get why so many want jung so bad and want to bring out the pitchforks for tork or he's done or move on or what not, so definitively. This time he was a guy we were counting on and a guy with an arrow pointing up given how he finished 2023. He fell flat last year (albeit still with a positive war) but is that one year enough to just write off a 25 year old No. 1 pick? Tigers fans have this syndrome where they hate young first basemen Tony Clark Carlos Pena Spencer Torkelson 1 Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: They can contend in the Central Division. According to FanGraphs, these are the projected wins: Minnesota 83 Detroit 82 Kansas City 81 Cleveland 77 Chicago 63 Does this include the stretch where Buxton gets injured for 2/3 of the year? Edited February 13 by monkeytargets39 1 Quote
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