2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[Toddwert]

9 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Tigers fans have this syndrome where they hate young first basemen

Tony Clark

Carlos Pena

Spencer Torkelson

 

I think thats because we  want them to be slugglers like Jim Thome

 

I still remember the excitement on here when they got Bonderman,, pena and German for Weaver

Edited February 13 by Toddwert

[Edman85]

FYI, as of now, the Tigers have the third highest CBT number increase from last season.

[papalawrence]

Read that with deferred salary Bregman's AAV is calculated as 31.7 mil per

[IdahoBert]

26 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

FYI, as of now, the Tigers have the third highest CBT number increase from last season.

Is that, however, from a baseline that was pretty small to begin with?

[monkeytargets39]

33 minutes ago, Toddwert said:

I think thats because we  want them to be slugglers like Jim Thome

 

I still remember the excitement on here when they got Bonderman,, pena and German for Weaver

I still can’t believe they put Bonderman in the big league rotation after one minor league season.  Like we needed to rush him to the big leagues because that 2003 team was gonna contend…..

[gehringer_2]

12 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

Is that, however, from a baseline that was pretty small to begin with?

Last season the Tigers were 28th of 30 teams with a taxable payroll of $109M.

This season there are currently at 19th at $145M.

Ok - If you wanted to be a big meanie about it you *could* say 28th was starting from a small baseline. 

(BTW - The highest they have been recently is 3rd, 2017)

(these numbers as per Spotrac - probably close enough to get the gist...)

Edited February 13 by gehringer_2

[ICroupier]

1 hour ago, KL2 said:

Yeah it might be. I guess i just dont get why so many want jung so bad and want to bring out the pitchforks for tork or he's done or move on or what not, so definitively. This time he was a guy we were counting on and a guy with an arrow pointing up given how he finished 2023. He fell flat last year (albeit still with a positive war) but is that one year enough to just write off a 25 year old No. 1 pick? I dunno i guess i just want to see if that guy bounces back before saying he's done. It has happened before that guys just have bad years. 

Beyond all the reasons other have already expressed, Tork has been behaving like an uncoachable, do-it-his-own-way, selfish disappointment. His act of not listening to the team and then not performing on the field is tired.

[IdahoBert]

21 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Ok - If you wanted to be a big meanie about it you *could* say 28th was starting from a small baseline. 

[Motor City Sonics]

8 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I am glad the Tigers apparently made a solid offer to Bregman.  It gives me hope that they won't be shy whe the right players are available.  As for hitters not wanting to come to Detroit, the flip side is they were able to sign Flaherty probably because Deroit is is a favorable environment for pitchers for multiple reasons.   

Or are they leaking that to make it look like they were willing to go 6/171?   

 

The lesson here is - Probably not best to go after guys that want to put up HR numbers in this park. 

But if you can find guys that hit it in the alleys and run, then you're probably going to do alright.  

Bregman is not tied for the 4th highest salary per year in baseball.     He's far from a Top 4 player.      Just like his old teammate Carlos is not a $33 million a year player (but the stupid Twins are stuck with him).   

Anthony Rendon is 7th.     After his comments last year, I feel like he's faking how serious his injuries were/are.    Angels should sue him for fraud.   

[casimir]

8 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I can see a world where Jung doesn’t make the team out of ST, and we platoon McKinstry and Ibanez at 3B.  
 

C- Rogers, Dingler

IF- Keith, Torres, Sweeney, Baez, McKinstry, Ibanez

OF- Greene, Meadows, Vierling, Carpenter, and Perez/Malloy.

This way they option down Tork, Jung and the other or Perez/Malloy and don’t have to DFA McKinstry since he’s out of options and Hinch has his Swiss Army knife defensively for pinch hitting situations.

I think this seems reasonably most likely at this point.  Maybe Jung, Torkelson, Malloy, and Perez (in no particular order) are fighting for one spot.

[casimir]

12 hours ago, 1776 said:

I had wondered if that was a reasonable option? I don’t see any reason it would hurt to give it a try. 

 

12 hours ago, Toddwert said:

I think they would have more succes with putting Keith back to 3rd

 

and for anyone worked up about 3 months of Bergman talk stay away from College recruiting this was nothing compared to a 17 year old teasing you 

I was kidding about Torkleson at 3B.

[casimir]

6 hours ago, KL2 said:

I dont get why people are so eager for Jace and so quick to just say dumb Tork. Jace hasn't shown much at the ML level either. 

I get why, but I think it’s a bit much.  I understand Torkelson is running out of chances and Jung is the shiny new toy.  But I don’t think it’s as cut and dry that Torkleson is a wash out and Jung is the 3B of the future.

On the other hand, Torkleson’s recent commentary doesn’t really help his cause.

[monkeytargets39]

11 minutes ago, casimir said:

I think this seems reasonably most likely at this point.  Maybe Jung, Torkelson, Malloy, and Perez (in no particular order) are fighting for one spot.

I’d say between the 4 it’d mainly be Tork vs Malloy for RH 1B/DH.  Jung and Perez wouldn’t get much if any PT if McKinstry and Ibanez are on the team and Vierling plays OF.  Would just be better to have Jung and Perez playing every day at Toledo and working on their defense.  Conversely, I could see them keeping Tork and putting JHM in Toledo as the every day 1B to see if that experiment has any promise.
 

I like Perez a lot and am rooting for him to make the team, but I’m not sure there’s a path without them DFAing or trading one of the utility guys.

Edited February 14 by monkeytargets39

[1984Echoes]

9 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I’d rather be able to sign pitchers and have to develop hitters than the other way around.

Which is what our top 10 prospects is now starting to look like...

All our best prospects, aside from Jobe... are position players.

[Edman85]

2 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

Is that, however, from a baseline that was pretty small to begin with?

Second by percentage increase.

[casimir]

3 hours ago, Edman85 said:

FYI, as of now, the Tigers have the third highest CBT number increase from last season.

Drawing a blank on CBT.

[gehringer_2]

4 minutes ago, casimir said:

Drawing a blank on CBT.

competitive balance tax (amount). The threshold was $237 last season. MLB.com says $241M for this season.

The CBT number is not the same as the annual cash payroll amount as it's adjusted for deferrals etc.

 

Edited February 14 by gehringer_2

[Arlington]

The 1b issue is the curse of Jason Thompson.  He was no Norm Cash, said Enos Cabel, who was no Jason Thompson.

Baseball Almanac has a kinda creepy stat.  In the date of death field they give the rank of living MB players and it's a link to the list.  It was a lifelong struggle for him, but Art Schallock now leads all actively living players in age at 100.294 years.

Died On:

Still Living (1,500 Oldest Living)

Edited February 14 by Arlington

[Tiger337]

2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Or are they leaking that to make it look like they were willing to go 6/171?   

 

The lesson here is - Probably not best to go after guys that want to put up HR numbers in this park. 

But if you can find guys that hit it in the alleys and run, then you're probably going to do alright.  

Bregman is not tied for the 4th highest salary per year in baseball.     He's far from a Top 4 player.      Just like his old teammate Carlos is not a $33 million a year player (but the stupid Twins are stuck with him).   

Anthony Rendon is 7th.     After his comments last year, I feel like he's faking how serious his injuries were/are.    Angels should sue him for fraud.   

The difference between his contract and other big contracts  is the fans aren't going to get stuck watching him be useless at aages 35,36, 37.  I hope there are more contracts like this in baseball.  

[Edman85]

48 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

competitive balance tax (amount). The threshold was $237 last season. MLB.com says $241M for this season.

The CBT number is not the same as the annual cash payroll amount as it's adjusted for deferrals etc.

 

Includes health benefits (total divided by 30 with some weird adjustments, roughly 17.5M last year), 16.7M for the pre arb bonus pool. Players on multi-year deals are generally on the AAV of the deal, but there are some adjustments. For example, they valley charge on Flaherty.

[monkeytargets39]

22 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

The difference between his contract and other big contracts  is the fans aren't going to get stuck watching him be useless at aages 35,36, 37.  I hope there are more contracts like this in baseball.  

They will once he inflates his numbers in Fenway and gets another overpriced deal in three years….

[Tiger337]

6 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

They will once he inflates his numbers in Fenway and gets another overpriced deal in three years….

If the Tigers had him for three years, then what happened in 2028 would be someone else's problem!

[Timmitch55]

A big April is key. Very tough opening month schedule.

[romad1]

I have to say that if I see a editorial take from Carlos Monarrez I usually assume its lazy. 

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnists/carlos-monarrez/2025/02/14/alex-bregman-tigers-news-scott-harris-aj-hinch/78537729007/

 

[chasfh]

20 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I’d rather be able to sign pitchers and have to develop hitters than the other way around.

A lot of people on the old board were arguing that 15 years ago. Imagine how it felt to watch the Tigers rushing in the opposite direction.

I think that particular front office was snowed by that generational SP talent we had in the early 2010s, especially 2013. “Oh, this is easy. We can do this all the time forever.”