2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[Longgone]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

lol, oh really?

I have directed nothing toward you, the person—I even said you'd made a good point about Tork—and yet you are offended by my opinion and are taking it very hard, and weirdly personally, and insulting me in the process. I guess trying to make sense of that is also a fool's errand.

Look, we can stop here and part friends if you want. I'd rather, if you don't mind.

Okay, if I have to, I’ll admit I actually believe you can feel shame, and we can be friends as long as you promise not to be irritating, ever again.

[Tenacious D]

27 minutes ago, Longgone said:

Okay, if I have to, I’ll admit I actually believe you can feel shame, and we can be friends as long as you promise not to be irritating, ever again.

 

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

I also don't think ballplayers have to be necessarily university-educated in kinesiology to have a good idea of how their bodies actually move versus how they should move.

LOL - I don't know if you are yet old enough or unlucky enough that you or your cohort is beginning to experience this, but the level of confusion and contradiction you get from the medical and rehab establishment about the kinetics and physical function of the human body as one's begins to get less reliable is pretty damn disappointing!  And not bearing on Torkelson in particular but I sure hope athletes don't have to suffer through anything like the state of mixed messages the rest of us get.

[Tigermojo]

Couple articles with stories about Greene and Baez from the official site. Greene seeking more nutrition in the offseason and hoping to avoid superstition in his food choices during the season. Also focusing on muscle and ligament health to help avoid injury. Baez is feeling good after his surgery. Not running at full speed yet but did hit a ball over the left field fence today.

https://www.mlb.com/tigers/news/riley-greene-diet-routine-offseason-2024-2025

https://www.mlb.com/tigers/news/javier-baez-tigers-spring-training

 

[romad1]

Tiger Territory covered the Tork malaprops and said it was not a good look for him.   Needed to be fixed.  Understood the general notion of him having too much data, too many inputs and needing to take an approach that worked for him.  But, that was not a good thing to say. 

[1984Echoes]

15 hours ago, casimir said:

I would guess Jobe is slated for a maximum of 150 innings based off his previous seasons and how teams try to build younger arms up.  How they accomplish this, I’m not sure.  As far as cold/climate, that might be a factor in the approach to this season.  I suspect it’s going to be more about how his forecasted innings are gated throughout the season.  Do they start his season out with shorter outings?   Do they have him miss a start here and there when the schedule allows or when Hinch tries a pitching chaos game?  Some sort of combination of the two?

I know he debuted last season and pitched in the playoffs.  I’m glad the depth is such to where they shouldn’t feel compelled to starting him in Detroi on Opening Day if there isn’t a need to.  They can afford to be patient with him.

At the same time, if his stuff is ready, then how do they find a way to not waste those pitches while watching his stamina?  Maybe that’s where he opens and goes through a lineup once or maybe 3 innings total and then he’s done for earlier in the season starts?  It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Start the season out with him in the bullpen.

They can monitor his innings with him that way, work with him at the MLB level refining anything with his pitches that they need to, including his new ones (especially those...)

There are lots of missed games due to weather early on... it would be easy to use a 4-man rotation and then swing guys/ starters as needed (Maeda, Cobb, Mize, Brieske, Holton... all guys who could be both long guys as well as swing starters...).

After a month or so... they can start to stretch Jobe out and then slot him into the rotation when they are ready.

They can do the same thing at the end of the season, only in reverse... if they need to keep him to an innings limit.

Just my 2 cents.

 

 

 

[Motor City Sonics]

4 hours ago, 1984Echoes said:

Start the season out with him in the bullpen.

They can monitor his innings with him that way, work with him at the MLB level refining anything with his pitches that they need to, including his new ones (especially those...)

There are lots of missed games due to weather early on... it would be easy to use a 4-man rotation and then swing guys/ starters as needed (Maeda, Cobb, Mize, Brieske, Holton... all guys who could be both long guys as well as swing starters...).

After a month or so... they can start to stretch Jobe out and then slot him into the rotation when they are ready.

They can do the same thing at the end of the season, only in reverse... if they need to keep him to an innings limit.

Just my 2 cents.

 

 

 

Only lightning will stop games this year.   They are going to play in heavy rain.       Rain Outs are for the weak. 

[chasfh]

10 hours ago, romad1 said:

Tiger Territory covered the Tork malaprops and said it was not a good look for him.   Needed to be fixed.  Understood the general notion of him having too much data, too many inputs and needing to take an approach that worked for him.  But, that was not a good thing to say. 

Sounds like they’re being judgmental, broadly assumptive, and presumptuous.

[casimir]

4 hours ago, 1984Echoes said:

Start the season out with him in the bullpen.

They can monitor his innings with him that way, work with him at the MLB level refining anything with his pitches that they need to, including his new ones (especially those...)

There are lots of missed games due to weather early on... it would be easy to use a 4-man rotation and then swing guys/ starters as needed (Maeda, Cobb, Mize, Brieske, Holton... all guys who could be both long guys as well as swing starters...).

After a month or so... they can start to stretch Jobe out and then slot him into the rotation when they are ready.

They can do the same thing at the end of the season, only in reverse... if they need to keep him to an innings limit.

Just my 2 cents.

 

 

 

Open in Los Angeles and Seattle.  3 games, off day, 3 games, off day.  They can probably skip a SP in there.

Home vs the White Sox and then the Yankees, 3 day games, 3 night games, then an off day.  Probably not skipping a SP there.  But those night games in the first home stand are eye opening compared to what we're used to.

At Minnesota for 3, at Milwaukee for 3, host Kansas City for 4, host San Diego for 3, then an off day.  No skipping SPs in there, only 3 games where weather shouldn't be an issue.  Its tough creating a schedule, I understand the flip flop nature of interleague series from year to year, I don't want to criticize too much.  San Diego at Detroit in April just has to make you laugh a little bit.  Who knows, it could be anywhere from 30 degrees to 75 degrees for a daytime high.

After the day off, its host Baltimore for 3, at Houston for 3, at the Angels for 3, off day, at Colorado for 3,.....

They leave Denver on May 8, so maybe by then they've held Jobe in reserve enough that he can be assigned to the rotation?  As well, if Maeda makes it out of camp with the Tigers, this time might be another milestone at which he's sunk or he's swimming?   And of course, health of other Ps come into play, although its tough to forecast that.  There's probably better depth this season to handle that if needed.

As I type this in semi response to baseball and weather, I will note that there are snowflakes as big as canned hams falling outside the window on the other side of the desk that I sit at.

[romad1]

50 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Sounds like they’re being judgmental, broadly assumptive, and presumptuous.

So, its also that they couched it in diplomatic language.  They have to live there so to speak.   But definitely a thing to be explained in context.  

As for me...i'm going to make snarky comments not aimed at hurting people but for my own amusement on this here internet.  If people think I'm wasting their time, that's a them problem. 

[IdahoBert]

Baez is in the best shape of his life. He is really giving the pitching machine a piece of his mind. 

LAKELAND, Fla. - The swing was classic Javier Baez, an aggressive approach at a ball and a well-struck line drive that carried out to left. It was Saturday morning batting practice on the back fields, but it was big for the Tigers, and for Báez.

"I just started swinging 100 percent a couple weeks ago," he explained earlier. "Been hitting off the machine, and it feels good."

[1776]

8 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

Baez is in the best shape of his life. He is really giving the pitching machine a piece of his mind. 

LAKELAND, Fla. - The swing was classic Javier Baez, an aggressive approach at a ball and a well-struck line drive that carried out to left. It was Saturday morning batting practice on the back fields, but it was big for the Tigers, and for Báez.

"I just started swinging 100 percent a couple weeks ago," he explained earlier. "Been hitting off the machine, and it feels good."

 

I guess we’ll take any good news about El Mago at this point. 

[Tenacious D]

31 minutes ago, 1776 said:

I guess we’ll take any good news about El Mago at this point. 

Definitely not counting on anything, but how cool would it be if he could contribute this season?  Even in a platoon facing primarily LH pitching.

[Motor City Sonics]

1 hour ago, IdahoBert said:

Baez is in the best shape of his life. He is really giving the pitching machine a piece of his mind. 

LAKELAND, Fla. - The swing was classic Javier Baez, an aggressive approach at a ball and a well-struck line drive that carried out to left. It was Saturday morning batting practice on the back fields, but it was big for the Tigers, and for Báez.

"I just started swinging 100 percent a couple weeks ago," he explained earlier. "Been hitting off the machine, and it feels good."

 

Bonderman's change up is looking great and Miggy's lost weight !

[IdahoBert]

40 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Bonderman's change up is looking great and Miggy's lost weight !

I remember when Pudge showed up to spring training looking thinner than ever, like he lost 30 or 40 pounds, and they asked him why he lost so much weight and he said “I just got tired of eating.“ Thank God it had nothing to do with steroids. 

[1776]

Watched a conversation with Flaherty on MLB earlier today. It is more than obvious that he is happy to be back in Detroit. Win-win for both sides.

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

Definitely not counting on anything, but how cool would it be if he could contribute this season?  Even in a platoon facing primarily LH pitching.

I think that’s kind of a double-edged sword. Javy would finally be back on the field and not a complete sub-replacement sinkhole, but on the other hand, if he does limp along at about a 0.5 WAR pace—a big improvement for him, sure—I’m afraid we’d be inclined to keep running him out there at the expense of playing time for a potentially on-the-rise shortstop whose projection runs about a win above that.

Of course, Sweeney might collapse this year, too. That could happen. But point being, if we do play Javy on the regular, I hope he has an Indian Summer season of 2+ WAR, to remove all doubt of what else might have been.

Edited February 16 by chasfh

[Tiger337]

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I think that’s kind of a double-edged sword. Javy would finally be back on the field and not a complete sub-replacement sinkhole, but on the other hand, if he does limp along at about a 0.5 WAR pace—a big improvement for him, sure—I’m afraid we’d be inclined to keep running him out there at the expense of playing time for a potentially on-the-rise shortstop whose projection runs about a win above that.

Of course, Sweeney might collapse this year, too. That could happen. But point being, if we do play Javy on the regular, I hope he has an Indian Summer season of 2+ WAR, to remove all doubt of what else might have been.

You guaranteed us that we would like him.  You just didn't say which year!

[Tenacious D]

I don’t think Javy blocks anyone long term.  Tigers are going to extract as much value out of him that they can, before cutting ties once a minor leaguer pushes his way in or Sweeney excels.

[romad1]

3 hours ago, romad1 said:

So, its also that they couched it in diplomatic language.  They have to live there so to speak.   But definitely a thing to be explained in context.  

As for me...i'm going to make snarky comments not aimed at hurting people but for my own amusement on this here internet.  If people think I'm wasting their time, that's a them problem. 

Listening now to Motor City Metrics…savage 

[chasfh]

10 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

I don’t think Javy blocks anyone long term.  Tigers are going to extract as much value out of him that they can, before cutting ties once a minor leaguer pushes his way in or Sweeney excels.

Javy is not blocking anyone long term, although a renaissance could have him here for three more years. If that’s going to be the case, I hope we can get a couple wins a year out of the guy.

[casimir]

22 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I think that’s kind of a double-edged sword. Javy would finally be back on the field and not a complete sub-replacement sinkhole, but on the other hand, if he does limp along at about a 0.5 WAR pace—a big improvement for him, sure—I’m afraid we’d be inclined to keep running him out there at the expense of playing time for a potentially on-the-rise shortstop whose projection runs about a win above that.

Of course, Sweeney might collapse this year, too. That could happen. But point being, if we do play Javy on the regular, I hope he has an Indian Summer season of 2+ WAR, to remove all doubt of what else might have been.

Baez won’t live up to the contract.  I think we’ve all accepted that as fact.

At this point, he needs to find his health, field as he did before understanding that there probably will be some age related decline, and rebound offensively.  Just be a league average overall bat, providing some pain in the butt vs LHPs to help the lineup balance out.

[Edman85]

Tigers Non-tenders back to 1990... I found this on my hard drive and figured I'd share:

 

Year	Player
2024	Ricky Vanasco
2024	Brendan White
2024	Wilmer Flores
2024	Eddys Leonard
2023	Garrett Hill
2023	Spencer Turnbull
2023	Austin Meadows
2023	Brenan Hanifee
2023	Freddy Pacheco
2022	Jeimer Candelario
2022	Harold Castro
2022	Willi Castro
2022	Brendon Davis
2022	Miguel Diaz
2022	Kyle Funkhouser
2022	Michael Papierski
2021	Matthew Boyd
2021	Grayson Greiner
2018	Alex Wilson
2018	James McCann
2017	Bruce Rondon
2015	Neftali Feliz
2015	Al Alburquerque
2012	Daniel Schlereth
2011	Will Rhymes
2010	Zach Miner
2008	Aquilino Lopez
2007	Chad Durbin
2006	Alexis Gomez
2004	Eric Munson
2003	Ben Petrick
2003	Andy Van Hekken
2002	Robert Fick
2002	Julio Santana
2001	Deivi Cruz
1997	Bob Hamelin
1997	Fernando Hernandez
1995	Alan Trammell
1994	Junior Felix
1994	Gene Harris
1994	Mike Gardiner
1994	Chad Kreuter
1993	Bob MacDonald
1993	Gary Thurman
1992	Mark Carreon
1992	Dan Gakeler
1992	Steve Cummings
1991	Andy Allanson
1991	Johnny Paredes
1991	Jeff Kaiser
1990	Lance McCullers

 

Tram's name being on there 1995 is a quirk of how technically all free agents could be offered arbitration, and I need to go back and refresh myself with the 1990's rules on this.

[romad1]

I'm learning from Detroit Tigers bsky that the ladies and the gays really like Jack Flaherty.

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Tigers Non-tenders back to 1990... I found this on my hard drive and figured I'd share:

 

Not too many mistakes in there if any really. But I probably don't recognize someone who did something somewhere else.

Krueter managed to hang around the majors for 9 yrs after Detroit but was barely replacement. McCann flashed for one season in Chicago.

Maybe Willi Castro has the best post Tiger career going from the list?

Edited February 17 by gehringer_2