2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[KL2]

19 hours ago, TcFlint said:

Since then, Different Owner, GM, and Head Coach.  Totally different hierarchy.

wanna mull your post over again?

[casimir]

6 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

So it was his back or hip that made him swing at pitches a foot and a half outside of the strike zone? 

Somebody here posted a theory that the back/hip and age had reduced his bat speed and to compensate for it he began to swing earlier.  Seems rational enough, but who knows if that's exactly what it was.

[Motor City Sonics]

2 hours ago, Longgone said:

To be fair, he always swung at those, and was pretty successful.

Aging = Slowing Bat Speed.    He has started his decline now.  

[monkeytargets39]

32 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Aging = Slowing Bat Speed.    He has started his decline now.  

Started?

[Motor City Sonics]

On 11/7/2024 at 10:53 PM, Tenacious D said:

Some Tigers love

 

Any power rankings that put the Tigers ahead of Cleveland is deeply flawed.   Cleveland beat the Tigers because Cleveland was better than the Tigers.   

[Motor City Sonics]

4 hours ago, casimir said:

Somebody here posted a theory that the back/hip and age had reduced his bat speed and to compensate for it he began to swing earlier.  Seems rational enough, but who knows if that's exactly what it was.

I think all those things are factors, but I think maybe the biggest is that when he was with the Cubs and Mets, he was one of many good players (and he was good),  but he never had to carry a team.  He comes here and he is THE MAN when he does - he is no longer one of many, he is the leader and I think his mentality changed.  I don't think he was suited for that role.  With the other teams - he wasn't necessarily the focus of the opponents, but with the Tigers he was and they did a better job of exploiting it.    All we needed out of him was to play to career averages and wow, significant drop in 2022 and then off a cliff the last two years.     It didn't work.  Tigers need to accept that, regardless of money.   You can go with a platoon of Sweeney/Navigato/Leonard and get more.    Navigato is Italian for Navigated.....let him point the way !!!!

Edited November 14, 2024 by Motor City Sonics

[Motor City Sonics]

When are they going to give Steven Moya another chance.  He's only 33 !!!   What about Travis Chapman and Shannon Penn ?  Nobody even mentions Kyle Sleeth for the rotation anymore.   

[Longgone]

2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Aging = Slowing Bat Speed.    He has started his decline now.  

Yes, I was just noting his propensity to chase is nothing new and not caused by his physical issues, he’s always done that. It’s his inability to drive balls that he can reach that is the problem, and that may be related to his injury.

[monkeytargets39]

2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

When are they going to give Steven Moya another chance.  He's only 33 !!!   What about Travis Chapman and Shannon Penn ?  Nobody even mentions Kyle Sleeth for the rotation anymore.   

Why sign an expensive infielder when Cale Iorg is right there?

[RandyMarsh]

If we decide to trade Skubal we could always call up Casey Crosby to fill that power lefty void in the starting rotation. 

[Tiger337]

I like Scott Livingstne.  They should get him signed up long-term before he gets too expensive.  

[casimir]

12 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

I think all those things are factors, but I think maybe the biggest is that when he was with the Cubs and Mets, he was one of many good players (and he was good),  but he never had to carry a team.  He comes here and he is THE MAN when he does - he is no longer one of many, he is the leader and I think his mentality changed.  I don't think he was suited for that role.  With the other teams - he wasn't necessarily the focus of the opponents, but with the Tigers he was and they did a better job of exploiting it.    All we needed out of him was to play to career averages and wow, significant drop in 2022 and then off a cliff the last two years.     It didn't work.  Tigers need to accept that, regardless of money.   You can go with a platoon of Sweeney/Navigato/Leonard and get more.    Navigato is Italian for Navigated.....let him point the way !!!!

I don't know what to make of Navigato.  I suspect he's a 4A IF, but I don't know.  If they keep him and give him a shot at the roster, that's fine.

I liked the acquisition of Leonard.  He had injury and struggled a bit upon return last season.  I expect him to be added to the 40 but I'm not sure he has a spot on the 26 quite yet.

I still like the idea of acquiring Kim (like his combination of offense and defense even if his power might be limited), allowing him his recovery early in the season, and using that time to determine what to do with Baez.  Now, whether that means a left side of the IF of Sweeney and Baez on a mostly everyday basis or not, I don't know, but I would be fine with it early on.  But I also think Kim is under the radar enough that a 2 year deal is reasonable for both sides.  It allows to use free agent / trade capital elsewhere.

[Motor City Sonics]

38 minutes ago, casimir said:

I don't know what to make of Navigato.  I suspect he's a 4A IF, but I don't know.  If they keep him and give him a shot at the roster, that's fine.

I liked the acquisition of Leonard.  He had injury and struggled a bit upon return last season.  I expect him to be added to the 40 but I'm not sure he has a spot on the 26 quite yet.

I still like the idea of acquiring Kim (like his combination of offense and defense even if his power might be limited), allowing him his recovery early in the season, and using that time to determine what to do with Baez.  Now, whether that means a left side of the IF of Sweeney and Baez on a mostly everyday basis or not, I don't know, but I would be fine with it early on.  But I also think Kim is under the radar enough that a 2 year deal is reasonable for both sides.  It allows to use free agent / trade capital elsewhere.

I don't think they're going to sign any left-side infielder.     Maybe someone who can play first base, but it'll be someone that none of us care about.   Someone ranked low on the list.     Then reclamation project pitchers coming off injuries.   They're not doing anything bold.  They got to the playoffs last year, why spend now? 

[RatkoVarda]

today, teams need to add players to the 40 man roster they want to protect from Rule 5 draft.

Kreidler, Baddoo and some others are on their way out

 

[chasfh]

Don't we still need a third baseman?

Paging Dawel Lugo ...

[casimir]

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

I don't think they're going to sign any left-side infielder.     Maybe someone who can play first base, but it'll be someone that none of us care about.   Someone ranked low on the list.     Then reclamation project pitchers coming off injuries.   They're not doing anything bold.  They got to the playoffs last year, why spend now? 

I'd say signing Kim is more smart than bold, but that's just my opinion

[Motor City Sonics]

5 hours ago, casimir said:

I'd say signing Kim is more smart than bold, but that's just my opinion

Considering the last couple of offseasons, to me anyone better than Canha is bold.   

[Edman85]

8 hours ago, casimir said:

I don't know what to make of Navigato.  I suspect he's a 4A IF, but I don't know.  If they keep him and give him a shot at the roster, that's fine.

I liked the acquisition of Leonard.  He had injury and struggled a bit upon return last season.  I expect him to be added to the 40 but I'm not sure he has a spot on the 26 quite yet.

I still like the idea of acquiring Kim (like his combination of offense and defense even if his power might be limited), allowing him his recovery early in the season, and using that time to determine what to do with Baez.  Now, whether that means a left side of the IF of Sweeney and Baez on a mostly everyday basis or not, I don't know, but I would be fine with it early on.  But I also think Kim is under the radar enough that a 2 year deal is reasonable for both sides.  It allows to use free agent / trade capital elsewhere.

Leonard is already on the 40.

[1984Echoes]

On 11/12/2024 at 5:03 PM, theroundsquare said:

I like this too but with Tork in the fold and Walker requiring the Tigers to sacrifice a draft pick (or perhaps two?  I'm not sure) because of the QO, I have a hard time thinking it will happen.  I think they're more likely to bring in somebody who can play 1B on the type of contract that they can eat during the year if Tork finds himself

Agree with this. The team is not going to spend on a 1st Baseman. Not this year anyways.

Tork will get more chances... until he runs out of them, IMO.

The RH'ed bat to add is in the rest of the IF. Not 1B, not the OF.

That means Bregman, Torres, or Adames (let me add Kim into this because... yes), IMO. 3B and SS are easy places for a RH'ed bat (especially if they jettison Baez); and I believe Adames can also play 3B and 2B, as can Kim. Even Torres could work if they find out Keith can go back to 3B (all depends on his shoulder...); but as a secondary question, can Gleyber also play 3B?

There are variances in ability from the right side... but balance might be more important than lethality from the right side for this signing. But a plus RH'ed bat nonetheless.

I would have no problem with adding any of these guys, and I'll leave the dirty work and analysis up to Harris and his team to decide which one (certainly dependent on mutual interest...).

Edited November 16, 2024 by 1984Echoes

[1984Echoes]

Also... I mentioned Sasaki as my #1 pitching addition target.

I would love to get him.

But if the Dodgers sign him... that would free up one of Flaherty or Buehler to sign...?

I would be fine with grabbing one of those guys too...

[Tenacious D]

I have seen the future and it includes Juan Soto and Walker Buehler.  Hazy on the details, though.

[theroundsquare]

details like what team they play for? 😉 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, theroundsquare said:

details like what team they play for? 😉 

Buehler has a pretty good chance to come here.

Juan Soto will play for the Tigers only if he has no say in the matter.

[Motor City Sonics]

1 hour ago, theroundsquare said:

details like what team they play for? 😉 

the new team in Austin. 

[AlaskanTigersFan]

11 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

I have seen the future and it includes Juan Soto and Walker Buehler.  Hazy on the details, though.

You can see the Yankees future huh? Whose their catcher in 2027?