2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

The other thing to consider is that if they were as done with Torkelson as much of the board is, one would question why he would be on the 40 after today. Cutting guys is one thing they haven't been shy about.

One thing Scott will absolutely positively not do is outright Tork, at least before he reaches free agency. We on the board may be down with him, but he’s not worthless to the market yet. 

[Edman85]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

One thing Scott will absolutely positively not do is outright Tork, at least before he reaches free agency. We on the board may be down with him, but he’s not worthless to the market yet. 

No way Tork clears waivers to be outrighted.

[Tiger337]

Tigers DFA Vanasco, White and Leonard.  Add two Tylers and a Chase.

https://bsky.app/profile/codystavenhagen.bsky.social/post/3lbdk6tvsv226

[Motor City Sonics]

Tork is in the starting lineup next year, no matter what.    From Opening Day.   It's up to him to earn his stay there.    Whether they find someone to share the load at 1B/DH, I don't know, but you don't bail on a guy who just turned 25, who, at 23 hit more than 30 HR.     Just stop with all this ridiculous talk about him being put on waivers.   It's not going to happen.   He and Mize have to prove it this coming season, but I refuse to call him a bust just yet.    I think he's developed some bad mental habits that need fixing and hopefully the Tigers have the guys who can do that.     He'll be given every possible chance, and he should be given that.   

[gehringer_2]

13 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Tigers DFA Vanasco, White and Leonard.  Add two Tylers and a Chase.

https://bsky.app/profile/codystavenhagen.bsky.social/post/3lbdk6tvsv226

Torkelson still on the team then....

[Tigermojo]

Tork will be in Detroit or Toledo. No need to let him go and his trade value is probably at its lowest.

[alex]

9 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Tork is in the starting lineup next year, no matter what.    From Opening Day.   It's up to him to earn his stay there.    Whether they find someone to share the load at 1B/DH, I don't know, but you don't bail on a guy who just turned 25, who, at 23 hit more than 30 HR.     Just stop with all this ridiculous talk about him being put on waivers.   It's not going to happen.   He and Mize have to prove it this coming season, but I refuse to call him a bust just yet.    I think he's developed some bad mental habits that need fixing and hopefully the Tigers have the guys who can do that.     He'll be given every possible chance, and he should be given that.   

Well put and simple. Unless something unforeseen happens or the team gets a good offer, Tork (and Mize) more than likely will be given fair shots again this upcoming season to be part of the movement forward.

[gehringer_2]

14 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

  I think he's developed some bad mental habits that need fixing

My uninformed take would be that Tork was encouraged to be a HR hitter before he ever got done learning how to be a hitter against ML pitching. I think he learned to be so focused on finding pitches to drive that when he stopped getting them from better pitchers, his game fell apart - so he's having to learn now what he was rushed to the big leagues without having learned when he should have. Can he do it? Beats me. He does have some assets: he can get around on velo, he has power, he has a good sense of the strike zone. The question is can he cover more of the strike zone? Stay tuned...

Edited November 20, 2024 by gehringer_2

[RandyMarsh]

Vogt wins MOTY, I really don't care that much about awards especially this one but feel like AJ deserved it.  Maybe I'm selling Vogt short since I didn't pay attention to the Guardians other than looking at their end game result but I find it hard to believe he actually managed the game as well Hinch did. Some teams overachieve due to a bunch of players having breakout seasons, little of which a manager is really responsible for but the Tigers on the other hand won in large part due to how Hinch used his players.

[casimir]

55 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Tigers DFA Vanasco, White and Leonard.  Add two Tylers and a Chase.

https://bsky.app/profile/codystavenhagen.bsky.social/post/3lbdk6tvsv226

I would’ve preferred dropping one of Kreidler, Baddoo, or even Lange (sorry, not a fan of his lack of control) as opposed to Leonard.

[RatkoVarda]

just because Kreidler and Baddoo survived today does not mean they survive all winter

[1776]

1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

Vogt wins MOTY, I really don't care that much about awards especially this one but feel like AJ deserved it.  Maybe I'm selling Vogt short since I didn't pay attention to the Guardians other than looking at their end game result but I find it hard to believe he actually managed the game as well Hinch did. Some teams overachieve due to a bunch of players having breakout seasons, little of which a manager is really responsible for but the Tigers on the other hand won in large part due to how Hinch used his players.

Top three finalists were AL Central managers. Not bad for the worst division in 2023.

[chasfh]

5 hours ago, Edman85 said:

No way Tork clears waivers to be outrighted.

Technical point taken. I didn’t mean it in that way. I meant released. 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

Vogt wins MOTY, I really don't care that much about awards especially this one but feel like AJ deserved it.  Maybe I'm selling Vogt short since I didn't pay attention to the Guardians other than looking at their end game result but I find it hard to believe he actually managed the game as well Hinch did. Some teams overachieve due to a bunch of players having breakout seasons, little of which a manager is really responsible for but the Tigers on the other hand won in large part due to how Hinch used his players.

I can’t help but wonder, had Skubal not given up that grand slam and the Tigers had won that Game 5, would Vogt have still won manager of the year? Did it really come down to that?

[4hzglory]

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

I can’t help but wonder, had Skubal not given up that grand slam and the Tigers had won that Game 5, would Vogt have still won manager of the year? Did it really come down to that?

IIRC it’s voted on right after the regular season.

[1776]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I can’t help but wonder, had Skubal not given up that grand slam and the Tigers had won that Game 5, would Vogt have still won manager of the year? Did it really come down to that?

I can’t argue with Vogt winning it. Hinch deserves a ton of credit for getting his team in the playoffs but Cleveland finished first in the division and went deeper into the playoffs than the other Central division teams. 

[Edman85]

21 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Technical point taken. I didn’t mean it in that way. I meant released. 

Even a player getting released has to clear waivers, and he wouldn't. 

[HeyAbbott]

Tork will remain with the team. The fan base has an emotional investment in him. That's fine, but we know what we have with him. I think fixing the 3B and finding a starting pitcher or 2 looms greater.

[Tenacious D]

1 hour ago, 1776 said:

I can’t argue with Vogt winning it. Hinch deserves a ton of credit for getting his team in the playoffs but Cleveland finished first in the division and went deeper into the playoffs than the other Central division teams. 

Strongly disagree.  Hinch got this team to a playoff series win with about 10 rookies on the team and one legitimate starter for a good chunk of the season.  At one point in the season, our entire OF was on the DL. And we sold at the trade deadline.

Cleveland had superior talent and established players.  I think Vogt got it as a new manager, and Hinch might still be paying a penalty for his suspension.

Objectively, Hinch’s performance was better.  For the first time in my 50 years following the Tigers I can honestly say that the manager played a significant role in the actual outcome of games on a consistent basis. Sparky and Leyland were great at what they did, but they also had stacked teams.

[oblong]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I can’t help but wonder, had Skubal not given up that grand slam and the Tigers had won that Game 5, would Vogt have still won manager of the year? Did it really come down to that?

Voting was done before the playoffs 

[Motor City Sonics]

3 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

just because Kreidler and Baddoo survived today does not mean they survive all winter

Dearest Constance, 

The Winters here are harsh and despite my hubris regarding my chances of surviving and even thriving in the wild, I find that no amount of of confidence is enough to sustain me now.  I was merely fooling myself.    This cold envelopes me at a cellular level.  My food stores are very low and I am finding that I am too week to collect, much less chop fire wood.  I am leaving you this note in the hopes that if my remains are eventually found, you will know that I did this for you.  I survived several years on this frigid plane known as the 40-man roster.  Every once in a while there was the warmth of attaining the active roster, but by the time those opportunities came around, I was far too weak and weary for it to last.    Now I am cold and alone, waiting for the end as time tortures me with fleeting visions of hearing my name called by the PA announcer in a canyon-sized baseball cathedral.   Even those dreams are fading.  I will make every attempt to linger until Spring, but if I don't make it - please don't send my remains to the White Sox organization.   Even in death one needs pride and dignity.   

 

Yours lovingly, Akil.  

[Motor City Sonics]

Not upset about Vogt winning it, but Hinch should not have been THIRD.  

[1776]

The Tigers spring training single game tickets go on sale December 14 at 10:00. 

[1776]

9 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

… and Hinch might still be paying a penalty for his suspension.

 

I wondered that as well.

[oblong]

I'm not bothered HInch only finished third.  They were the 3rd wild card.  An 8 game improvement.  KC was the 2nd WC and had a 30 game improvement and Vogt's team won the division and they had a 16 game improvement.

It's not a travesty.