2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[SkyBlue]

Harris works for us?

[HeyAbbott]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

How about a six year contract to a 29-year-old? 😉 

I am not fond of that, but in certain cases it might be OK. Anytime one obtains a free agent, I think in most cases, on pays a 6 year contract in the hopes of having 2 good years

[Shinzaki]

One of the idiots that works for 97.1 said he would have signed Flaherty to a 3 year extension instead of trading him. A couple of bold assumptions here...the Tigers didn't discuss an extension with Flaherty b4 dealing him and Flaherty woukd be interested in a 3 year extension instead of waiting until FA when he'll be able to get an offer for at least 5 or 6 years

[Tiger337]

5 hours ago, chasfh said:

How about a six year contract to a 29-year-old? 😉 

It depends on who it is, but 29 versus 31 could be 4 good years versus 2 good years.  

Edited August 4 by Tiger337

[Tenacious D]

7 hours ago, SkyBlue said:

Harris works for us?

I saw him and his family this morning at the Birmingham Farmers Market. And Hinch on Wednesday.  Might have also seen Jeff Greenberg, but I wouldn’t be able to place him in a million years.

[casimir]

1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

I saw him and his family this morning at the Birmingham Farmers Market. And Hinch on Wednesday.  Might have also seen Jeff Greenberg, but I wouldn’t be able to place him in a million years.

Did they recognize you?

[tiger2022]

I'm curious what people on here would think would happen to a Tiger who refused to put on the little Caesars outfit and carry the ridiculous pizza stuff in the dugout after hitting a home run?

Fine?  Benching?  Optioned to Toledo?

 

[Hongbit]

Death

[Hongbit]

By Spear

[Hongbit]

After being forced to eat 2 large pepperonis with the stuffed crazy bread crust.

[Tigermojo]

1 minute ago, Hongbit said:

After being forced to eat 2 large pepperonis with the stuffed crazy bread crust.

Death by lactose intolerance.

[Tenacious D]

1 hour ago, casimir said:

Did they recognize you?

Harris shielded his infant and reminded me that I was in violation of my restraining order.

[alex]

17 hours ago, Shinzaki said:

One of the idiots that works for 97.1 said he would have signed Flaherty to a 3 year extension instead of trading him. A couple of bold assumptions here...the Tigers didn't discuss an extension with Flaherty b4 dealing him and Flaherty woukd be interested in a 3 year extension instead of waiting until FA when he'll be able to get an offer for at least 5 or 6 years

I think most GMs are wiser now. Very few SPs (or Ps period) are going to be signed for 5-6 years. Waaaaay too many injuries. Look at DeGrom, Rondon, etc. etc.

With said maybe buying out arbitration years might be a possibility for a select few younger types ex TSkubal.

I would of course consider JFlaherty again, let him shop and try to get 3+ years. Heck, he has to make it through this season first, then see IF any team 'may' want to risk that length of years. If not, then the Tigers can look at it if he is still available. I think they will spend on some SP. Harris history says this - and even here the last two years (Boyd and Lorenzon for '23 and Maeda and Flaherty for '24) suggests it.

You can NEVER have enough SP depth. We (the last two years) are proof of that (and many other teams). It might be time for a GM or two to think outside the box and offer SP journeyman types contracts that are more inclined towards IP incentives for MLB and AAA (combined ex 150 IP), so this way more depth can be created.

[monkeytargets39]

3 hours ago, alex said:

I think most GMs are wiser now. Very few SPs (or Ps period) are going to be signed for 5-6 years. Waaaaay too many injuries. Look at DeGrom, Rondon, etc. etc.

With said maybe buying out arbitration years might be a possibility for a select few younger types ex TSkubal.

I would of course consider JFlaherty again, let him shop and try to get 3+ years. Heck, he has to make it through this season first, then see IF any team 'may' want to risk that length of years. If not, then the Tigers can look at it if he is still available. I think they will spend on some SP. Harris history says this - and even here the last two years (Boyd and Lorenzon for '23 and Maeda and Flaherty for '24) suggests it.

You can NEVER have enough SP depth. We (the last two years) are proof of that (and many other teams). It might be time for a GM or two to think outside the box and offer SP journeyman types contracts that are more inclined towards IP incentives for MLB and AAA (combined ex 150 IP), so this way more depth can be created.

Problem is—there’s always a team or two out there that’ll still hand out the ridiculous pitcher contracts and skew the market so that every above average pitcher thinks they’re going to get that type of payday.  

[buddha]

On 8/4/2024 at 12:15 PM, Shinzaki said:

One of the idiots that works for 97.1 said he would have signed Flaherty to a 3 year extension instead of trading him. A couple of bold assumptions here...the Tigers didn't discuss an extension with Flaherty b4 dealing him and Flaherty woukd be interested in a 3 year extension instead of waiting until FA when he'll be able to get an offer for at least 5 or 6 years

i'd be surprised if someone gives him that many years.  too injury prone.

[Tigermojo]

Is anyone excited about the young core? Greene, Meadows, Carpenter, Malloy, Torkelson and Keith have all shown flashes of success at some point. I'd like to see them all healthy and producing before the end of the season.

Skubal, Olson, Mize and the young bullpen arms have had some success as well. I'm hopeful for next year but health has been a real concern with this group of pitchers and position players.

[alex]

7 hours ago, Tigermojo said:

Is anyone excited about the young core? Greene, Meadows, Carpenter, Malloy, Torkelson and Keith have all shown flashes of success at some point. I'd like to see them all healthy and producing before the end of the season.

Skubal, Olson, Mize and the young bullpen arms have had some success as well. I'm hopeful for next year but health has been a real concern with this group of pitchers and position players.

Health concerns are for 'every' team. That is why depth is so important. GMs need to start thinking different IMHO (some already are). Maybe sign SPs with incentives of 140-150 IPs total for MLB and/or AAA.

Just perhaps that is part of thinking of the minor league INF depth that may be occurring ex Lee, McGonigle, Sweeney, Jung, Rainer, etc. to go along with Keith.

To have/create the ability to move around 2B, 3B and SS - to some extent. Harris and co. may just be thinking this as they accumulate young talent. The O's seem to be heading in this direction ex Westburg just got hurt and Holliday and Mayo were called up.

The game has changed. No longer can teams, fans think, here is our starting lineup and 5 SPs for 150 games. It was this way for a long time. No more the proof is plentiful. The IL stints are growing.

All IMHO, the league needs to add 1-2 more players to the roster (27-28). Maybe cut down some games ex to 150 (like that is going to happen anytime soon - but it might in time). Have a few more days off and some actual scheduled double headers. Rest and recovery are of utmost importance.

The athletes today are in much greater 'condition' ex less body fat, bigger and faster. Hence, when a player dives unto the ground or crashes into a wall, they are more inclined to get hurt. Why? various reasons, one for example they do not have a cushioned landing with less bodyfat. The muscles are much more developed, we know about muscle training - but we do not know as much about about tendon and ligament strengthening (to equal it). Bones may be more frail because the minerals in the soil this day and age are not equal to the amounts of yesterday. We simply overturn the soil 2-3 times more often. There may be a lot to all the reasons. Studies can only turn in so much data and they are in their infancy. Throw in the weight of the ball, the spinning, torquing, etc. done by Ps today. It all adds up. 

We are seeing proof of this with all the IL stints. Again, the game has changed as has the human physiology involved. This is factual, the IL stint are proof and for several reasons.

There is the business side as well. That may not change anytime soon. However, to better the game and actually see more often the stars of the game, something like this will need to be done. Just like the pitch clock, shifts, not blocking the bases on SB attempts, etc.

In time, those in charge will hopefully understand this better and bring the game back to more of what it was with a few more changes. So fans can more often watch the players play and not think about why so many are on the IL.

Edited August 6 by alex

[tiger2022]

They should allow a team to have 15 pitchers on the roster with 10, 11, or whatever active every game.  The other ones are starters or bullpen guys that are ineligible to pitch the game they are scratched.

The rest of the people on the roster are hitters.  Maybe even allow a team to have an emergency catcher for the game in case of injury.  Teams would be able to carry one or two guys who can be designated pinch hitters because they suck on defense.

[casimir]

Could six-inning minimum starting pitcher rule come to MLB?

In a nutshell:

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MLB acknowledges that adding such a rule would not be as simple as forcing every starter to pitch at least six innings every time out -- exceptions would have to be included.

The objective is to prioritize starting pitching, not to leave a struggling starter in to reach the innings threshold while his ERA skyrockets or at the risk of injury. So the league's conversations have included carve-outs, instances when pitchers would not have to pitch the required six innings. Some instances when a starter would be allowed to leave early might include:

He throws 100 pitches

He gives up four or more earned runs

He gets injured (with a required injured list stint to avoid manipulation)

Outside of those exceptions, pitchers would have a mandate to make it through at least six innings. That would force teams to rethink their pitching staffs to meet the new standards.

 

 

[gehringer_2]

13 minutes ago, casimir said:

Could six-inning minimum starting pitcher rule come to MLB?

In a nutshell:

 

it would almost certainly lead to a huge spike in fatigue induces injuries when guys can't get out of innings. Stupid idea. You don't get where you want to by just forcing the square peg into the round hole, you have to recognize that the problem is NOT the pitchers - they are giving you their all, it's the GAME. Pitchers will go deeper when you change the game to reduce the stress on them, not by increasing it. Idiotic suggestion.

If you actually want to use fewer pitchers but are unwilling to fix the game, then adopt the ST rule, let a pitcher sit down after 25-30 pitches in an inning and then come back into the game next inning.

Edited August 16 by gehringer_2

[tiger2022]

The only people who want this type of crap are people who don't watch or care about baseball anyway.  This is just an example of an institution or organization that cater to the 1% vocal extreme that doesn't buy or consume a product yet demand it changes.

[casimir]

38 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

it would almost certainly lead to a huge spike in fatigue induces injuries when guys can't get out of innings. Stupid idea. You don't get where you want to by just forcing the square peg into the round hole, you have to recognize that the problem is NOT the pitchers - they are giving you their all, it's the GAME. Pitchers will go deeper when you change the game to reduce the stress on them, not by increasing it. Idiotic suggestion.

If you actually want to use fewer pitchers but are unwilling to fix the game, then adopt the ST rule, let a pitcher sit down after 25-30 pitches in an inning and then come back into the game next inning.

I agree with you about changing the game.  Get things in order to be less reliant on HRs/SOs.  Deaden the ball.

I understand sitting a pitcher in spring training.  But extending that into the regular season?  Gross.  Someone around here mentioned lengthening the pitch clock after a certain number of pitchers, maybe it was 10?  I do like that idea to manage pitcher stress during an outing.

[AlaskanTigersFan]

So I'm in a strato-matic baseball league. Obviously we go by pitchers stats from the previous year. Well if a player pitches 200+ innings, usually we could pitch them on three days rest. 

I bring this up because as time has gone on, the number of 200 IP pitchers has drastically reduced. I think last year there were like two when 15 years ago there was probably 20-30/season. Nolan Ryan used to pitch a ridiculous amount of innings.

I'm wondering if because guys are throwing so much harder these days that it really is a different game or are younger players being protected too much which end up getting them hurt by not building up enough arm stamina.... I think that is part of the larger picture to understand. 

[SkyBlue]

1 minute ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

se guys are throwing so much harder these days that it really is a different game or are younger players being protected too much which end up getting them hurt by not building up enough arm stamina.... I think that is part of the larger picture to understand. 

We are getting back into the impact of spin rates and all the changes that analytics have brought to pitching and what if any impact it has on durability.  

 

[1984Echoes]

Which monster closers are available this offseason, by FA or trade?

That's #1 on my priority list: a shut-down dominant 9th inning guy. That pushes everyone else down a notch... which I think would be hugely beneficial for the Lange/ Foley/ Vest/ Holton's on this team...

IMO.