2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[RatkoVarda]

Foley for Suzuki.

[monkeytargets39]

1 hour ago, LongLiveMaroth said:

He would not be cheap, but he does have an 18M per year contract for the next 2 years. He was worth 3.5 WAR last year. My best guess? Maybe one of Hamm, Hao-Yu Lee, Melton, or Madden and Max Anderson, Campos or Rucker. They want/need pitching so my guess would be something like a Madden and Campos trade if they wanted an arm closer to the Bigs? 

I’d do that in a heartbeat.

[ICroupier]

1 hour ago, LongLiveMaroth said:

He would not be cheap, but he does have an 18M per year contract for the next 2 years. He was worth 3.5 WAR last year. My best guess? Maybe one of Hamm, Hao-Yu Lee, Melton, or Madden and Max Anderson, Campos or Rucker. They want/need pitching so my guess would be something like a Madden and Campos trade if they wanted an arm closer to the Bigs? 

I would trade Madden and Anderson for Suzuki in a heartbeat. He'd instantly become our second best hitter.

[SoCalTiger]

1 hour ago, LongLiveMaroth said:

He would not be cheap, but he does have an 18M per year contract for the next 2 years. He was worth 3.5 WAR last year. My best guess? Maybe one of Hamm, Hao-Yu Lee, Melton, or Madden and Max Anderson, Campos or Rucker. They want/need pitching so my guess would be something like a Madden and Campos trade if they wanted an arm closer to the Bigs? 

everybody but Hamm or Lee would be great but probably not that simple although they are saving $$ Thanks.

[Motor City Sonics]

PUT IN STOYKO !

[Sports_Freak]

On 12/5/2024 at 8:47 AM, Tigermojo said:

Keith was pretty good at second and I would be comfortable with him there. Problem is all of our good prospects play second. If Keith could play third it would help a lot.

Or 1st?

[IdahoBert]

Only adjacent to baseball, and I’m only partially watching the Boise State UNLV game and a voice was sort of familiar and of course it turned out to be Jason. 

[Timmitch55]

19 hours ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

Seriously.... WTF are we waiting for..... Go Get Flaherty and Beuhler NOW! Crazy. We are going to wait to go bargain shopping then we'll miss out on everyone... Oi vey. 

Harris will be doing more trading than signing FA

[Timmitch55]

14 hours ago, LongLiveMaroth said:

He would not be cheap, but he does have an 18M per year contract for the next 2 years. He was worth 3.5 WAR last year. My best guess? Maybe one of Hamm, Hao-Yu Lee, Melton, or Madden and Max Anderson, Campos or Rucker. They want/need pitching so my guess would be something like a Madden and Campos trade if they wanted an arm closer to the Bigs? 

Not happening 

[Longgone]

11 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Or 1st?

No, stop it

[Arlington]

Trading prospects is the way to go right now, but replacing those prospects will be a little harder now that the Tigers have had success and are picking later with less available money. It will be interesting to see if Harris goes the path of restocking through trades ala Tampa Bay or depleting through trades ala Dombrowski. 

[gehringer_2]

41 minutes ago, Arlington said:

 or depleting through trades ala Dombrowski. 

If you were designing an anti-Dombrowski you couldn't do much better than Harris. Junior watched DD and Senior send the team into 10yr of purgatory. I see a low probability of that happening again.

Edited December 7, 2024 by gehringer_2

[Arlington]

You have to remember that DD came on to a feckless team and developed them into a contender very quickly, providing perhaps the longest stretch of competitiveness for the team since probably the 1934 - 1940 period.  DD's last acts were the start of the tear down and in July 2015 he picked up some good prospects, including a future ROY.  Avila had a wealth of material to trade and we came out of it with Jake and a handful of WAR from a few other fringe major leaguers.  If DD and the Tigers were dedicated to rebuilding in 2015 I doubt it would have put us into the decade long drought we've seen.   I put that entirely on Avila.  Anyway, Harris does seem to be the anti-Dombroski so far, but there might be a time and place for Dombroski's methodology and I'm not sure if Harris will entirely ignore that going forward.  I have a lot of faith in Harris and I trust he will take the right direction.

[casimir]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

If you were designing an anti-Dombrowski you couldn't do much better than Harris. Junior watched DD and Senior send the team into 10yr of purgatory. I see a low probability of that happening again.

Maybe, maybe not.  I don’t think we’ve seen enough of Harris to say he’s an exact anti-Dombrowski.  We’ve seen them both come into dumpster fire situations and they have tried to clean up in different ways, I think that’s a fair assessment.  But once they get to a level of success, how will they try to sustain?

Is this off-season for Harris akin to Dombrowski’s 2006-2007 off-season?  I think this past season had more expectations than 2006, but at the same time, they are both coming off of postseasons and I’m not sure there’s a consensus on what this team is to do this off-season.

One thing to add is both teams have a top flight manager at the helm.  Maybe this supporting staff is a bit better than the former collection?  Certainly the public personas of the field captains are different from one another.

Edited December 7, 2024 by casimir

[Sports_Freak]

3 hours ago, Arlington said:

Trading prospects is the way to go right now, but replacing those prospects will be a little harder now that the Tigers have had success and are picking later with less available money. It will be interesting to see if Harris goes the path of restocking through trades ala Tampa Bay or depleting through trades ala Dombrowski. 

Has Harris traded any prospects? We seem to have half a dozen 2nd base prospects....lol. 

[chasfh]

6 hours ago, Arlington said:

Trading prospects is the way to go right now, but replacing those prospects will be a little harder now that the Tigers have had success and are picking later with less available money. It will be interesting to see if Harris goes the path of restocking through trades ala Tampa Bay or depleting through trades ala Dombrowski. 

My initial impression is that Scott Harris is the anti-Dombrowski. I don't think that's at all bad.

EDIT: And all I had to do is look down just one post. 😁

 

Edited December 7, 2024 by chasfh

[chasfh]

I do think Harris will trade from a surplus of prospects to get the kind of major league pieces that will fill holes on the team, but I do not expect him to do anything like trade Kevin McGonigle and Jaden Hamm for Dylan Cease come July.

[SoCalTiger]

25 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I do think Harris will trade from a surplus of prospects to get the kind of major league pieces that will fill holes on the team, but I do not expect him to do anything like trade Kevin McGonigle and Jaden Hamm for Dylan Cease come July.

Let's hope not. Kevin McGonigle is our BEST minor leaguer in my book. I'm betting he handles shortstop just fine and Rainer plays third. 

Clark, McGonigle,Greene, Carpenter, Briceno, Liranzo, Keith, Rainer and Meadows 1-9.  Nobody gets traded to disturb this. They rest can all be bartered. 2027 mid season latest for all to be activated. Something to be hopeful for. In the meantime let's get some 1 to 2 year veterans to keep us in the playoffs. 

 

[HeyAbbott]

I don't  see too much happening this off-season. There will be some prove it pitcher signings and some low level trade. Most of the moves will happening in the final 2 weeks of January 2025.

[Sports_Freak]

27 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

Let's hope not. Kevin McGonigle is our BEST minor leaguer in my book. I'm betting he handles shortstop just fine and Rainer plays third. 

Clark, McGonigle,Greene, Carpenter, Briceno, Liranzo, Keith, Rainer and Meadows 1-9.  Nobody gets traded to disturb this. They rest can all be bartered. 2027 mid season latest for all to be activated. Something to be hopeful for. In the meantime let's get some 1 to 2 year veterans to keep us in the playoffs. 

 

There was an article I read today about Briceno winning the triple crown in winter ball. They said it had never been done. He may be an important piece of the future. And I agree that Harris shouldn't trade away the upcoming young talent. Young players are less expensive and are under team control for longer. It's good to have established and experienced players but not at the cost of trading away future quality players 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, SoCalTiger said:

Let's hope not. Kevin McGonigle is our BEST minor leaguer in my book. I'm betting he handles shortstop just fine and Rainer plays third. 

Clark, McGonigle,Greene, Carpenter, Briceno, Liranzo, Keith, Rainer and Meadows 1-9.  Nobody gets traded to disturb this. They rest can all be bartered. 2027 mid season latest for all to be activated. Something to be hopeful for. In the meantime let's get some 1 to 2 year veterans to keep us in the playoffs. 

 

It might be tough to get anyone good if you're willing to part with McGonigle OR Rainer.

I do notice you seem willing to part with Jung. If so, I would find that interesting because he is still ranked #5 in the system by Pipeline ahead of Briceno and Liranzo, who are both big flavors this month. I don't know were Fangraphs will have him but I wouldn't doubt it would be as high as #5 with them, too. It's just interesting because we broke the seal on the guy and he didn't play like Rookie of the Year, so a lot of people here—not meaning you in particular, but a lot—seem ready to kick him to the curb for next to nothing.

I'm not saying I want to keep him, necessarily—only that I find it interesting so many fans are already done with him, a guy who still appears to have a bright future in baseball..

[Nate7474]

I’m not done with him and would be happy to keep him.
 

However, For me he is an attractive trade chip that we can part with as his lefty hitting and more second base profile is already on the roster. 

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

It might be tough to get anyone good if you're willing to part with McGonigle OR Rainer.

I do notice you seem willing to part with Jung. If so, I would find that interesting because he is still ranked #5 in the system by Pipeline ahead of Briceno and Liranzo, who are both big flavors this month. I don't know were Fangraphs will have him but I wouldn't doubt it would be as high as #5 with them, too. It's just interesting because we broke the seal on the guy and he didn't play like Rookie of the Year, so a lot of people here—not meaning you in particular, but a lot—seem ready to kick him to the curb for next to nothing.

I'm not saying I want to keep him, necessarily—only that I find it interesting so many fans are already done with him, a guy who still appears to have a bright future in baseball..

I'm always willing to give a bat at least more than one year - but the disappointing thing with Jung was his play at 3b. Defensive improvements are almost harder to come by. A lot of guys with batting talent take a while to figure out MLB pitching but do eventually get there after >500 AB. But if a guy doesn't seem to show an aptitude for a position in the field, that's as often due physical constraints that may not have much scope to change. ...Just looked at his logs - I guess he only had 68 games at Toledo at 3b before his call-up - I thought he had gotten in more time there. Between playing some at 2B and being out 3wks I guess not.....

Whatever, he needs to play 3rd better if he is going to stay there.

[Tenacious D]

That Hot Stove is heating up (close to 375 degrees now).

Adames to the Giants, Tyler O’ Neil to the O’s

[SoCalTiger]

3 hours ago, Nate7474 said:

I’m not done with him and would be happy to keep him.
 

However, For me he is an attractive trade chip that we can part with as his lefty hitting and more second base profile is already on the roster. 

Agree with this.