2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[Sports_Freak]

3 minutes ago, casimir said:

I wouldn’t be against it, per se.  But what is the OF/DH alignment?  What becomes of 3B?  Vierling?

Or why not acquire both Kim and Suzuki and maybe Carpenter is moved for prospects?

Trade Carpenter? No way, don't even consider it.

[casimir]

2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Trade Carpenter? No way, don't even consider it.

Why not?  Defense is questionable.  They’re extremely reluctant to use him vs LHP. If the return is greater than Carpenter and/or addresses an area of weakness, why not trade him?

[gehringer_2]

8 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

The injury definitely complicates things though.  

absolutely - an injury with a repair that doesn't have a slam dunk outcome. Without proof he will still have a SS arm, you basically have to hedge on the possibility you are looking at adding a RH LF/DH. Tigers have taken on rehabs, but more like Flahery, where things were further along. His performance may have still had some way to go, but there was a pretty fair indication his was physically sound. OTOH, they dumped Boyd when he wasn't going to be ready to evaluate in ST.

[chasfh]

10 hours ago, casimir said:

Why not?  Defense is questionable.  They’re extremely reluctant to use him vs LHP. If the return is greater than Carpenter and/or addresses an area of weakness, why not trade him?

I’m not sure Carpenter is the kind of player to trade in the offseason, when trade partners can evaluate his defensive and platoon deficiencies in an in-depth, analytical manner and they have the luxury of time. He might be the kind of chip to trade if he has a hot July and the other team has a real need for a LHH OF who’s raking right-handed pitchers right now and will overpay to get him.

 

Edited December 9, 2024 by chasfh

[RatkoVarda]

if Soto gets 765-805MM at 26, then Riley (if he stays healthy) is looking at 300M+ at 28

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

I’m not sure Carpenter is the kind of player to trade in the offseason, when trade partners can evaluate his defensive and platoon deficiencies in an in-depth, analytical manner and they have the luxury of time. He might be the kind of chip to trade if he has a hot July and the other team has a real need for a LHH OF who’s raking right-handed pitchers right now and will overpay to get him.

 

I like Carpenter enough as a player, my bigger concern is that like Riely, he needs to stay on the field. Shoulder and back issues in successive years are not what you like to see in a player's CV.

[papalawrence]

1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said:

if Soto gets 765-805MM at 26, then Riley (if he stays healthy) is looking at 300M+ at 28

Skubal/Boras are up first. Even at 30, barring catastrophic injury, he'll likely get 350. With Mike Illitch they'd keep him. With Chris?

[gehringer_2]

11 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

Skubal/Boras are up first. Even at 30, barring catastrophic injury, he'll likely get 350. With Mike Illitch they'd keep him. With Chris?

Unless the sports media ecosystem (i.e, the money machine) totally collapses, Skubal is gone. The only question is bite the bullet and trade him while you can get a good return or take the performance and accept the comp pick as consolation.

 

Edited December 9, 2024 by gehringer_2

[RatkoVarda]

just hoping Harris gets Austin Hays and Buddy Biancalana at this point!

 

[Sports_Freak]

14 hours ago, casimir said:

Why not?  Defense is questionable.  They’re extremely reluctant to use him vs LHP. If the return is greater than Carpenter and/or addresses an area of weakness, why not trade him?

Why not you ask?

 

[KL2]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Unless the sports media ecosystem (i.e, the money machine) totally collapses, Skubal is gone. The only question is bite the bullet and trade him while you can get a good return or take the performance and accept the comp pick as consolation.

 

I've tried and tried and I'm not following this thinking. 

[Tenacious D]

2 hours ago, papalawrence said:

Skubal/Boras are up first. Even at 30, barring catastrophic injury, he'll likely get 350. With Mike Illitch they'd keep him. With Chris?

Dad let Scherzer walk.

[gehringer_2]

14 minutes ago, KL2 said:

I've tried and tried and I'm not following this thinking. 

the huge contracts will continue as long as the money in the big markets is available, the money is available as long as the media rights fees can keep increasing - i.e. the ecosystem doesn't collapse because viewers reach the point where they won't pay. As long as the big markets can afford to outbid places like Det, they will. A contract like Soto's - or the one Skubal will get if he stays healthy - is suicide for a team like the Tigers. Ilitch can talk a good game about being willing, but the $ are not there in this market when push comes to shove and the league isn't going to allow teams to operate at a loss. Doesn't matter if the owner has the money - the team still has to be solvent.

Edited December 9, 2024 by gehringer_2

[Tigermojo]

I prefer the money goes to developing future versions of Soto than overpaying free agents.

[gehringer_2]

23 minutes ago, Tigermojo said:

I prefer the money goes to developing future versions of Soto than overpaying free agents.

In the end, you can only stay ahead with fewer $ if you have more brains, and eventually the dollars will take the brains away from you as well, so you need a management/scouting pipeline as well.

Edited December 9, 2024 by gehringer_2

[Edman85]

Not gonna be a popular take, but I would want to fully understand the effect Riley Greene's injury history may have one his aging curve before going crazy on a long term extension.

[Sports_Freak]

12 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Not gonna be a popular take, but I would want to fully understand the effect Riley Greene's injury history may have one his aging curve before going crazy on a long term extension.

I agree. The goal going into last season was to try to keep him healthy for the entire season. He mostly made it, I think he had one stint on the injury list?

[1984Echoes]

Go BIG...!!!

Or Go HOME...!!!

Sign Sasaki.

Sign Bregman.

Trade for Vlad Guerrero Jr.

Sign Buehler.

 

 

 

Edited December 9, 2024 by 1984Echoes

[Tenacious D]

“I’ll have what he’s having”

[papalawrence]

2 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

Dad let Scherzer walk.

True, after he signed several other big contracts and offered Max a reasonable deal at the time, iirc 6/144. Mike spent.

[gehringer_2]

18 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

True, after he signed several other big contracts and offered Max a reasonable deal at the time, iirc 6/144. Mike spent.

at the time the claim was that once you discounted the deferrals the Tiger deal was just as good as what the Nats offered, but at that point everyone was pissed off so that was that.

[casimir]

3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Why not you ask?

 

So are you giving him a contract for life?  What about Andy Ibanez?

[papalawrence]

Given Skubal has Boras, perhaps Harris will consider trade offers this week. Would be a PR nightmare, but he'll probably never have higher value

[RatkoVarda]

 

[alex]

Alex Cobb is on board:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/12/tigers-to-sign-alex-cobb.html