2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[IdahoBert]

47 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

The Tampa Bay Rays of the AL Central.   Get used to it.  

I don’t think Scott Harris would’ve come here if that were the case.

But it is definitely the case that if we have five guys who end up being so good the Tigers have to pay each of them in excess of $30 million a year and some of them $50 million-$60 million (and the price goes up every year) there’s no way they will ever be able to hold onto them.

So there will never be teams where we can get attached to players long-term like we did with the ‘68 era Tigers or the ‘84 era team. Baseball doesn’t work like that anymore for anyone besides three or four clubs.

We live in an era of deplorable inequality and spectacles which keep the masses sedated in a sentimental La La Land that gets increasingly harder to feel sentimental about. The game is certainly losing its Ken Burns feel about it. 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Good post. Agree on many points. Now find someone you think is a good bet to throw big money and long years at who will actually come here.

The key to success in the future will be to ID guys early and tie them up before they know how good they are. i.e. Colt Keith type signings. Of course you need to be right. OTOH, you can make a couple of $20M/yr mistakes and still be ahead of making one $50M mistake.

[Motor City Sonics]

23 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

I don’t think Scott Harris would’ve come here if that were the case.

But it is definitely the case that if we have five guys who end up being so good the Tigers have to pay each of them in excess of $30 million a year and some of them $50 million-$60 million (and the price goes up every year) there’s no way they will ever be able to hold onto them.

So there will never be teams where we can get attached to players long-term like we did with the ‘68 era Tigers or the ‘84 era team. Baseball doesn’t work like that anymore for anyone besides three or four clubs.

We live in an era of deplorable inequality and spectacles which keep the masses sedated in a sentimental La La Land that gets increasingly harder to feel sentimental about. The game is certainly losing its Ken Burns feel about it. 

Yankees-Dodgers-Mets every year with a couple others popping up from time to time.    That's all it's gonna be.  Maybe we get lucky and get in for a year or two.    The Pirates will be ordinary with Skenes and then trade him to the Dodgers, Mets or Yankees.    

[Hongbit]

I’m holding out hope that these two Venture Capitalists that have chosen to pump up the market for their own short term success will spur the rest of the owners to put a salary cap in place.    

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Sounds like you think both the Tigers are done getting starting pitcher and Jackson Jobe won’t make it.

As of today, that's what I see as our starting rotation. Jobe will probably start in Toledo, unless there are injuries. But he should be up here, in June at the latest. As for signing another SP? I would rather sign a closer who can miss some bats. Sign JV and make him our closer...😅😅

[Nate7474]

If Jobe is going to be on the team at all this year then he’s going to start in Detroit. The potential draft compensation  for rookie of the year is a big deal for smaller/mid market teams to compete. 

Now he might start in the pen to limit innings early on and let him learn big league hitters. Or they might skip a bunch of starts to do that which also means they need more cheap veteran depth. 

[1776]

2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

The Tampa Bay Rays of the AL Central.   Get used to it.  

The Rays have the 4th best winning percentage in MLB over the last five years. 

https://www.statmuse.com/mlb/ask/mlb-teams-most-regular-season-wins-last-5-years

[Timmitch55]

7 minutes ago, 1776 said:

The Rays have the 4th best winning percentage in MLB over the last five years. 

https://www.statmuse.com/mlb/ask/mlb-teams-most-regular-season-wins-last-5-years

The sad part is you can get a ticket to almost any game for 10 Buck

[gehringer_2]

50 minutes ago, Nate7474 said:

If Jobe is going to be on the team at all this year then he’s going to start in Detroit. The potential draft compensation  for rookie of the year is a big deal for smaller/mid market teams to compete. 

Now he might start in the pen to limit innings early on and let him learn big league hitters. Or they might skip a bunch of starts to do that which also means they need more cheap veteran depth. 

I wouldn't make decisions based on the chance Jobe wins ROY. He has awesome potential, but hasn't yet shown the kind of in game consistent dominance that a Verlander or Skenes did before their call-ups and if you don't hit the ground already running full speed you won't win ROY.

Edited December 10, 2024 by gehringer_2

[gehringer_2]

58 minutes ago, Timmitch55 said:

The sad part is you can get a ticket to almost any game for 10 Buck

Still,  the fact that the league located a team in a black hole doesn't negate the fact that the Ray's Front Office plays the hand they have been dealt as well as anyone.

But the Franco situation is such a killer for the Rays if he is toast - hard to imagine a bigger blow  a team could suffer organization wise than losing a young, controlled all-star caliber SS for nothing.

Edited December 10, 2024 by gehringer_2

[Tenacious D]

48 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Still,  the fact that the league located a team in a black hole doesn't negate the fact that the Ray's Front Office plays the hand they have been dealt as well as anyone.

But the Franco situation is such a killer for the Rays if he is toast - hard to imagine a bigger blow  a team could suffer organization wise than losing a young, controlled all-star caliber SS for nothing.

He’s toast.  One of the challenges with employing humans.

[Nate7474]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

I wouldn't make decisions based on the chance Jobe wins ROY. He has awesome potential, but hasn't yet shown the kind of in game consistent dominance that a Verlander or Skenes did before their call-ups and if you don't hit the ground already running full speed you won't win ROY.

I don’t disagree but it is a factor and my guess is that it would be a consideration.  
So if you think he’s going to be one of your top 4 starters by the middle/end of the year. Then imo he might as well learn in the big leagues. if you don’t think that will be the case because he’s still green and you can hold off until September again then sure let him get the innings in the minors. 
 

To me his stuff plays now in the majors and pitchers only have so many innings in three arms. I’m taking him north even if it’s out mid the bullpen to start. With the condensed minor leagues now there is a huge talent gap between AAA and the majors that I don’t think it’s as good of a place to get ready anymore. 

[1984Echoes]

15 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Would you reneg on Cris Rodriguez's agreement to sign Sasaki? Would you trade the capital needed to acquire pool money?

Isn't that 2024 International?

After Jan 15th, it's 2025 International so new year, new money can be offered to Sasaki...

I think that's correct...?

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, Hongbit said:

I’m holding out hope that these two Venture Capitalists that have chosen to pump up the market for their own short term success will spur the rest of the owners to put a salary cap in place.    

What would be the positive effect of a salary cap, in your estimation?

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

As of today, that's what I see as our starting rotation. Jobe will probably start in Toledo, unless there are injuries. But he should be up here, in June at the latest. As for signing another SP? I would rather sign a closer who can miss some bats. Sign JV and make him our closer...😅😅

I think there's a really good chance Jobe comes north, unless he's making no progress this winter and he continues to make none this spring, which would be inconsistent with everything we've learned about the Harris regime.

[RatkoVarda]

15 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Isn't that 2024 International?

After Jan 15th, it's 2025 International so new year, new money can be offered to Sasaki...

I think that's correct...?

Rodriguez will be signed ($3m+) with 2025 pool money. Tigers have about 600K in 2024 money remaining.

[1984Echoes]

Danke schoen.

[Edman85]

On the contrary, where do you think this competitive balance tax money goes? The owners are fine with it.

[Longgone]

3 hours ago, Hongbit said:

I’m holding out hope that these two Venture Capitalists that have chosen to pump up the market for their own short term success will spur the rest of the owners to put a salary cap in place.    

The players will never agree to it and they don’t need a salary cap, the just need to equally distribute media revenues.

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, Nate7474 said:

With the condensed minor leagues now there is a huge talent gap between AAA and the majors that I don’t think it’s as good of a place to get ready anymore. 

definitely more to this than ever.

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

I think there's a really good chance Jobe comes north, unless he's making no progress this winter and he continues to make none this spring, which would be inconsistent with everything we've learned about the Harris regime.

I'd put it this way if I were the Tigers: as of this moment he's slated for Toledo, but he has a wide open opportunity to change that in ST.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Longgone said:

 just need to equally distribute media revenues.

I don't think the Devil is worried about having to sharpen his skates on that one....

🥶

Edited December 10, 2024 by gehringer_2

[Hongbit]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

What would be the positive effect of a salary cap, in your estimation?

It will help the competitive balance when it comes to the acquisition and retention of players.  

We’ve always had a system where the top teams could spend more.  Now, we’ve reached a point where 80% of the league doesn’t even have the option to consider an offer for top players.     It’s not even about not wanting to spend the money.  They don’t have the money.   

This will also have huge impact on teams trying to retain their players.   Tarik Skubal will not be a Tiger in 2 years.   They can not pay stupid dollars and term like he will get from the top teams.   He will have to be traded at the deadline or maybe even will leave scot free if the team is in the playoff race.   There won’t any debates to keep him or  not and there won’t be anyone hammering Chris for not spending money.  It’s really going to suck for all of us having to watch it happen knowing there’s nothing to be done. 

 It’s sort of like this already but we will move to where it never happens that even a single young star stays with the non big money team that they came up with.   Teams like the Tigers will become like a major league farm team for them.  

MLB is the only major sport without some type of cap.  Something needs to be put in place that either slows the cost of doing business or at least brings that rapid growth inline with increased outside revenue.    NFL and NBA have record TV deals and are branching out into new platforms.  They are both seeing significant revenue growth that is driving salary up.  Baseball is not in this category.  Their TV deals are messy and in flux.  I don’t see the financial growth of the league flourishing to the same levels that spending has.   I see two VC billionaires spending crazy money for their own personal gain.   I don’t see how any of it is good for the future of the game and seems like a recipe for disaster.

 

 

 

 

[Longgone]

58 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I don't think the Devil is worried about having to sharpen his skates on that one....

🥶

More likely than a salary cap 

[Tigermojo]

Cobb $15 million plus another million for 140 and 150 innings.