2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[chasfh]

12 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

And I still don't agree.  He was the manager and he didn't have the players respect enough to get them to stop.    I don't think that would have happened to Leyland or Anderson.  I don't think anyhing like that will happen to Hinch again either.   Hinch is great now so I don't care, but I will always view the Houston incident as a bad mark on his record.

If you have never been a middle manager in that situation, I can see why you would not understand.

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, romad1 said:

The more i think about the extensions for Greene and Skubal...the more I'm not sure I'd do that if I were either side.  The talent development cycle with the Tigers is getting good enough that they can actually put a MLB caliber product out with more certainty from their drafts and to a much lesser extent International signings.  

That said, the Detroit fanbase is the kind that falls in love with its stars.  It won't want to become Tampa North.  Obviously the player will get whatever they can to validate their future.  Its also probably good for the economy to have wealth transfer this way.

MLB should do more to help mid-market teams retain stars.

It wouldn't be a panacea but even a right to match deals for the home team would at least go part of the way.

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

If you have never been a middle manager in that situation, I can see why you would not understand.

To me the history of the episode argues that is very unilkely Hinch  would want anyone from that team/history showing up at his doorstep today, let alone one of the supposed ring leaders, and I see no way Harris would not respect that. To me that is a stronger determining factor for Bregman any analysis of whether he is a fit or will be a declining asset.

[papalawrence]

4 hours ago, chasfh said:

They have Skubal for at least two more years.

With escalating starting pitching prices, don't you think there is a decent chance they trade him? With Jobe and Hamm coming up, I think it's at least in the back of Harris' mind

[SoCalTiger]

59 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

To me the history of the episode argues that is very unilkely Hinch  would want anyone from that team/history showing up at his doorstep today, let alone one of the supposed ring leaders, and I see no way Harris would not respect that. To me that is a stronger determining factor for Bregman any analysis of whether he is a fit or will be a declining asset.

Boom. Ya we aren't signing Bregman. 

[SoCalTiger]

25 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

With escalating starting pitching prices, don't you think there is a decent chance they trade him? With Jobe and Hamm coming up, I think it's at least in the back of Harris' mind

That's the 69 million dollar question. I don't think Hamm is sure thing just yet either.

 

[monkeytargets39]

14 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I understand why people are weary of Bregman. However, I think their payroll is low enough where it's reasonable to extend Greene and Skubal and also make a significant signing.  

I just don’t want to see us have the mindset that we have plenty of payroll flexibility now to hand out some big contracts only to then turn around and put that player in the lineup every day even if they severely underperform because we are paying them a lot.  If we are going to go for some home run signings then we have to be willing to accept that sometimes they’ll just be pop ups and move forward.

[SoCalTiger]

20 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I just don’t want to see us have the mindset that we have plenty of payroll flexibility now to hand out some big contracts only to then turn around and put that player in the lineup every day even if they severely underperform because we are paying them a lot.  If we are going to go for some home run signings then we have to be willing to accept that sometimes they’ll just be pop ups and move forward.

I think Harris would agree with you. He seems to only move if he feels the deal fits his check list. I suppose that's why this off season is slow since as the team improves it becomes harder to find deals.

[Tiger337]

4 hours ago, chasfh said:

If you have never been a middle manager in that situation, I can see why you would not understand.

None of us have been a major league baseball manager, so I guess we can't comment, but I'm just saying he didn't have the respect of the players and I vew that as a negative.  I think there are managers who would have handled it better.  

I am very happy with Hinch as the Tigers manager.  I believe if the same thing happened to him in Detroit, the players would be more inclined to listen to him.  

[TigerNation]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

To me the history of the episode argues that is very unilkely Hinch  would want anyone from that team/history showing up at his doorstep today, let alone one of the supposed ring leaders, and I see no way Harris would not respect that. To me that is a stronger determining factor for Bregman any analysis of whether he is a fit or will be a declining asset.

He recruited Correa so this doesn't check out.

[Tenacious D]

I think Skubal will take counsel from Boras, but will ultimately decide his own fate, much more so than perhaps his other clients.  If he wants to be a Tiger, he will be. 
A wrinkle in all of this is his recent appointment to a role in the players association.  That loyalty to the union might be more significant than any affection he has towards the Tigers.

[Tenacious D]

2 minutes ago, TigerNation said:

He recruited Correa so this doesn't check out.

?  I missed that.  I remember him having breakfast with the guy, but it was later debunked as any sort of recruiting event.

[Timmitch55]

5 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I agree.

I wouldn't allow him to sign either. Would you? Harris is a smart dude. He knows that. So the Sox gave up a TON for Crochet. What would Tarik command as of right now? What teams could make that move? I love Skubal. That being said, we won't sign him. Id move him and do it now, if the package is right. And then go sign Flaherty and Buehler for what Skubal gets. And farm about 5 near ready guys

[Timmitch55]

9 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

I think Skubal will take counsel from Boras, but will ultimately decide his own fate, much more so than perhaps his other clients.  If he wants to be a Tiger, he will be. 
A wrinkle in all of this is his recent appointment to a role in the players association.  That loyalty to the union might be more significant than any affection he has towards the Tigers.

Ilitch... Go get whoever you want Scott, but we're not signing Skubal too.

[RandyMarsh]

I'm fine with trading Skubal at some point cause I do feel that it is highly unlikely he doesn't go to FA and in such a case it would be hard to outbid other teams for his services. With that said I wouldn't do it now, yes we MAY get a little more but I'd rather wait to see where we stand at the deadline and reassess then. I say may because the most valuable thing about starting pitchers is what they bring in the postseason so whether a team trades for him now or in July either way they are getting 2 postseasons out of him so I wouldn't consider the return being much different, in fact it may be even more if Skubal continues to dominate for another half season.

If come July we show that last year was a fluke and are back to being a sub .500 team and way out of the division then shop him around but if that isn't the case and we are right in the thick of things then you of course keep him and try to make another run in the postseason.

I guess the one caveat would be if we legit thought that the players we get in return could help us equally or more than Skubal would this year but I think that would be pretty unlikely. 

Edited December 15, 2024 by RandyMarsh

[gehringer_2]

58 minutes ago, TigerNation said:

He recruited Correa so this doesn't check out.

Possible. it is a fact he went to lunch with Correa - but beyond the fact is speculation. For all we know it could as easily have been a Correa who wasn't getting offers testing the waters with Hinch. Bottom line is Correa is not here, and I wouldn't argue that  Minny spent more than the Tigers could have to land him.

Edited December 15, 2024 by gehringer_2

[monkeytargets39]

2 hours ago, SoCalTiger said:

I think Harris would agree with you. He seems to only move if he feels the deal fits his check list. I suppose that's why this off season is slow since as the team improves it becomes harder to find deals.

Yeah but sometimes that calls comes from the owner

[Tenacious D]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

Possible. it is a fact he went to lunch with Correa - but beyond the fact is speculation. For all we know it could as easily have been a Correa who wasn't getting offers testing the waters with Hinch. Bottom line is Correa is not here, and I wouldn't argue that  Minny spent more than the Tigers could have to land him.

We could have easily signed Correa, but chose Baez instead. Remember that Correa had deals killed with both SF and Mets before settling with the Twins.

[RandyMarsh]

11 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

We could have easily signed Correa, but chose Baez instead. Remember that Correa had deals killed with both SF and Mets before settling with the Twins.

We pivoted to Baez after SF signed him but before the news came out about his failed physical. If we waited on Baez a little longer we very likely could've gotten Correa on the cheap like the TWins did. 

[TigerNation]

3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Possible. it is a fact he went to lunch with Correa - but beyond the fact is speculation. For all we know it could as easily have been a Correa who wasn't getting offers testing the waters with Hinch. Bottom line is Correa is not here, and I wouldn't argue that  Minny spent more than the Tigers could have to land him.

The Tigers offered Correa something like 10 years 290 million.

Hinch obviously had no problem with him coming here.

Edited December 15, 2024 by TigerNation

[Tenacious D]

50 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

We pivoted to Baez after SF signed him but before the news came out about his failed physical. If we waited on Baez a little longer we very likely could've gotten Correa on the cheap like the TWins did. 

I think that’s incorrect.  According to ChatGPT, Baez signed on 12/1.  Correa signed with SF on 12/12.

[Tenacious D]

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[TigerNation]

1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

?

 

What's the question?

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[IdahoBert]

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