2024 - 2025 Detroit Tigers Offseason

[Tigermojo]

16 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I’m so confident that we won’t get Sasaki that if we do, I’ll watch all 162 White Sox games next year.

 

[Tenacious D]

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I didn't say he would need an escape clause to go to Detroit but not to Boston. I said only that if he agrees to Detroit, he’ll do so only if he has an escape clause.

That’s become fairly standard, regardless of destination.

[Tenacious D]

I don’t see how Sasaki is coming here after yesterday’s report.  He allegedly met with 7 teams before heading back to Japan and we weren’t one of them.  And if we have $3-4M committed to Rodriguez, it doesn’t seem to matter how big our pool is.  Might be time to pivot and send some of our pool money to a team trying to put together a compelling offer for Sasaki, getting some decent prospects in return.  Similar to what we did last year with SD.

[Tiger337]

22 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I didn't say he would need an escape clause to go to Detroit but not to Boston. I said only that if he agrees to Detroit, he’ll do so only if he has an escape clause.

Why Detroit, but not Boston?  I understand he might prefer Boston because he'll probably hit better there and he might think they'll have a better chance to win.  If that is what he wants though, why consider Detroit at all?  If he only signs with Detroit for the money, why would he leave that contract for less money?  

Edited December 31, 2024 by Tiger337

[Edman85]

36 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I’m so confident that we won’t get Sasaki that if we do, I’ll watch all 162 White Sox games next year.

In fairness, the schadenfreude enough might make that worthwhile.

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

Because the Angels were the one team who committed to allowing him to be a two-way player.

And maybe Disneyland, who knows.

Also easy enough to see that the Angels were a bad choice in hindsight, but when Ohtani signed they were only a couple years out from being a solid winning org.

Edited December 31, 2024 by gehringer_2

[4hzglory]

26 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I didn't say he would need an escape clause to go to Detroit but not to Boston. I said only that if he agrees to Detroit, he’ll do so only if he has an escape clause.

For someone who is looking to sign his last big contract and isn't going to be a Hall of Famer, does it matter to them what counting stats they put up?  Or is total $ and fit/chance of winning more important?  Meaning, if a number of Bregman's home runs become doubles in Detroit and his slugging drops but OBP rises, does that really matter that much to him if he's looking for a 7 year deal to take him to age 37?  If he can only get a 4-5 year deal I get it, but if Detroit would match the Adames deal which added 1 year at the same rate Houston offered, He isn't likely to get another big deal after that one anyway.

[Sports_Freak]

Houston offered Bregman a very good contract that he refused. It would be great for baseball if he ends up losing millions of dollars by signing a much lower contract. Teach these spoiled, money hungry ingrate players a lesson. <ducks>

[chasfh]

41 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Why Detroit, but not Boston?  I understand he might prefer Boston because he'll probably hit better there and he might think they'll have a better chance to win.  If that is what he wants though, why consider Detroit at all?  If he only signs with Detroit for the money, why would he leave that contract for less money?  

I didn't say Detroit and not Boston.

[chasfh]

31 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

For someone who is looking to sign his last big contract and isn't going to be a Hall of Famer, does it matter to them what counting stats they put up?  Or is total $ and fit/chance of winning more important?  Meaning, if a number of Bregman's home runs become doubles in Detroit and his slugging drops but OBP rises, does that really matter that much to him if he's looking for a 7 year deal to take him to age 37?  If he can only get a 4-5 year deal I get it, but if Detroit would match the Adames deal which added 1 year at the same rate Houston offered, He isn't likely to get another big deal after that one anyway.

Sure counting stats count. It's a legacy issue. That matters. Boston is perceived as a good hitting park for RHBs, and Detroit is considered a poor hitting park for RHBs.

But of course winning matters, too. I'm pretty sure in the long term, Boston is perceived as more of a winner than Detroit is, and if you look at just the period covering Bregman's career, I don't believe there's much question that they are.

I believe if Bregman were offered a flat 6/174 from Boston with two-year out clause, versus 6/180 from the Tigers with a two-year out clause, he'd take Boston.

No, I don't hate the Tigers, and I don't hate Detroit. My belief has nothing to do with how I feel about anything, and everything to do with my perception of how players see things.

[gehringer_2]

17 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Houston offered Bregman a very good contract that he refused. It would be great for baseball if he ends up losing millions of dollars by signing a much lower contract. Teach these spoiled, money hungry ingrate players a lesson. <ducks>

Scoring big is just a matter of good planning. You simply have to have the foresight to be a FA in the year that the Mets, Dodgers and Yankees all have a need at your position. 

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I didn't say he would need an escape clause to go to Detroit but not to Boston. I said only that if he agrees to Detroit, he’ll do so only if he has an escape clause.

Why? My impression is that escape clauses are requested, so that they can leave for a better contract if they do well.  I would think he'd want that from both teams.  

Edited December 31, 2024 by Tiger337

[Tenacious D]

If winning matters, the Tigers are significantly more attractive than the Red Sox, who have to look up at the Yankees and Orioles and will likely for some time.

All Bregman needs to remember was the feeling being swept by a Tiger team of rookies in the playoffs.  And an organization that is arguably top 3 in prospects that should only get better and be able to sustain that success.

Edited December 31, 2024 by Tenacious D

[gehringer_2]

1 minute ago, Tenacious D said:

If winning matters,

I think all athletes are driven to 'win' but there does seem to be a spectrum from the athletes whose idea of 'win' is their salary ranking and those for whom the idea of 'win' is games/championships. And you see a good number of guys from the 1st group decide later they wanted to be in the 2nd group.

[Tenacious D]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

I think all athletes are driven to 'win' but there does seem to be a spectrum from the athletes whose idea of 'win' is their salary ranking and those for whom the idea of 'win' is games/championships. And you see a good number of guys from the 1st group decide later they wanted to be in the 2nd group.

Agree.  That’s why I added “matters.”  For a guy like Luis Severino, for example, he was willing to sign with the A’s to play in a minor league park for the duration of his contract. Winning/environment is lower on his consideration list.

My point was to address Chas’ contention that Boston was more attractive for Bregman.  I agree that their ballpark is more favorable, but if Bregman, who is already financially stable for life, wants to go to a team who is in best position to contend during his contract, Detroit is the better option.

[KL2]

7 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

Agree.  That’s why I added “matters.”  For a guy like Luis Severino, for example, he was willing to sign with the A’s to play in a minor league park for the duration of his contract. Winning/environment is lower on his consideration list.

My point was to address Chas’ contention that Boston was more attractive for Bregman.  I agree that their ballpark is more favorable, but if Bregman, who is already financially stable for life, wants to go to a team who is in best position to contend during his contract, Detroit is the better option.

He's already got multiple rings. He's gonna go for most money

[gehringer_2]

7 minutes ago, KL2 said:

He's already got multiple rings. He's gonna go for most money

seems likely, but assuming the big 5 aren't interested and the big money isn't there, he might decide playing for a winner is at least a consolation prize. Of course, it's not a foregone conclusion anyone yet considers the Tigs a likely winner.

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Why? My impression is that escape clauses are requested, so that they can leave for a better contract if they do well.  I would think he'd want that from both teams.  

I didn't say he wouldn’t want that from Boston.

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

If winning matters, the Tigers are significantly more attractive than the Red Sox, who have to look up at the Yankees and Orioles and will likely for some time.

I doubt that it’s the general impression among players that Boston is more attractive for winning than Detroit.

Also, I’m not sure the Orioles’ window will be open for as long as some may believe. They just let the ace they spent a lot in prospect and draft capital to get just walk the foot after only an year, and their biggest slugger is about to walk out right behind him. They may have built a great core, but they’re not convincing me yet that they want to build on it for the long term.

[Tiger337]

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I didn't say he wouldn’t want that from Boston.

But you said that he would probably ask for an opt out in order to sign with Detroit which implies that Boston would not have to offer an opt out.  

[chasfh]

21 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

But you said that he would probably ask for an opt out in order to sign with Detroit which implies that Boston would not have to offer an opt out.  

No, it doesn't. I didn't imply that. You inferred it. You might consider asking for clarification instead of pouncing.

[Tiger337]

37 minutes ago, chasfh said:

No, it doesn't. I didn't imply that. You inferred it. You might consider asking for clarification instead of pouncing.

OK, so clarify yourself.

[chasfh]

23 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

OK, so clarify yourself.

I've clarified myself repeatedly here: I said that if Bregman agrees to Detroit, he’ll do so only if he has an escape clause. I haven't contemplated Bregman and Boston agreeing on an escape clause at all. I didn't weigh in on it either way. Anything more you want to know about what I think, you can review this.

 

[Longgone]

5 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

I don’t see how Sasaki is coming here after yesterday’s report.  He allegedly met with 7 teams before heading back to Japan and we weren’t one of them.  And if we have $3-4M committed to Rodriguez, it doesn’t seem to matter how big our pool is.  Might be time to pivot and send some of our pool money to a team trying to put together a compelling offer for Sasaki, getting some decent prospects in return.  Similar to what we did last year with SD.

Pretty much every team has the majority of their pool money committed, not only for this year but several years into the future. Reneging on any of those deals would not be well received by the “buscones”, in any case, it’s not going to be who can scrape up the most money who gets him, it’s going to be the perceived environmental factors.

[Tenacious D]

On 12/28/2024 at 10:18 AM, Tenacious D said:

I think Bregman signs with the Tigers over the next 72 hours.  Terms are 6 years/$192M.  Player opt-out after two seasons.

Well, this didn’t age well.  Apologies to everyone.