oblong Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 It took Republicans 70 years to get here but when Ike was running in 1952 the party faced this fork in the road and he beat back Taft in the primary and shaped the party for Nixon and Reagan later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 14 minutes ago, ben9753 said: The Republican Party you seek is gone. It's not coming back. I won’t argue your point. In fact, things have to change in the GOP to be respected again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 The GOP should put this on the hi fi and do some learning. Come gather 'round people Wherever you roam And admit that the waters Around you have grown And accept it that soon You'll be drenched to the bone If your time to you is worth savin' And you better start swimmin' Or you'll sink like a stone For the times they are a-changin' Come writers and critics Who prophesize with your pen And keep your eyes wide The chance won't come again And don't speak too soon For the wheel's still in spin And there's no tellin' who That it's namin' For the loser now Will be later to win For the times they are a-changin' Come senators, congressmen Please heed the call Don't stand in the doorway Don't block up the hall For he that gets hurt Will be he who has stalled The battle outside ragin' Will soon shake your windows And rattle your walls For the times they are a-changin' Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land And don't criticize What you can't understand Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command Your old road is rapidly agin' Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand For the times they are a-changin' The line it is drawn The curse it is cast The slow one now Will later be fast As the present now Will later be past The order is rapidly fadin' And the first one now Will later be last For the times they are a-changin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 21 minutes ago, 1776 said: I won’t argue your point. In fact, things have to change in the GOP to be respected again. I agree, however Trump is not the only problem. Look at the conservative think tanks like the Heritage Foundation. They’ve all come around to even more extreme thinking than what Trump espouses. A lot very rich and powerful want it all and everyone one else be damned. And they are willing to do whatever it takes to get it. They still believe the rich will inherit the Kingdom or maybe I’ve been reading too many Daniel Silva novels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 1 hour ago, 1776 said: In my view, all the above are damaged goods. They all caved to Trump in the end. They failed under pressure. As a conservative, I am hoping for a restart in the Republican Party after November. You ain't gettin' that back. It done sold it's soul to that Orange Devil. They should have fought harder to keep that bastard away. Only shot you got is a Centrist party, but a lot of "normal" Republicans are lost. They can't win primaries and there aren't enough of them to make a real dent. They're the party of Conspiracies and Flat Earthers now. Somehow they work Jesus into their silly arguments, but they sucker enough people with that to keep it going. With the internet around, that ain't changing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, oblong said: It took Republicans 70 years to get here but when Ike was running in 1952 the party faced this fork in the road and he beat back Taft in the primary and shaped the party for Nixon and Reagan later on. Nixon started it with the Southern Strategy........playing off that racist response to Johnson selling out the good ol boys for the Civil Rights Act. (Actually, it was a brilliant move by Nixon - if only he wasn't so morally bankrupt). Reagan demonized the word Liberal and turned compassion into a perceived weakness (the opposite of WWJD)...........Rush Limabaugh & New Gingrich amplified it..........Trump galvanized it. No longer have to be shy about their racist, sexist, bigoted motivations. Now they scream it. It's a badge of honor. The Republicans flirted with this for years and laughed and now it sucked them all down the drain and they can't climb out of it. It went from Dog Whistle to Bullhorn. Edited August 7 by Motor City Sonics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 (edited) 22 hours ago, oblong said: It took Republicans 70 years to get here but when Ike was running in 1952 the party faced this fork in the road and he beat back Taft in the primary and shaped the party for Nixon and Reagan later on. What would really concern me about the GOP's future is that, beyond Trump, what does this party look like? Who ascends to the top? (no, JD Vance isn't gonna cut the mustard) This is the problem with personality cults (I'm sure some will dispute the characterization, but if we're being honest, it is one).... when the leader ages out and / or dies, it leaves a massive vacuum behind. This party has currently wrapped it's identity in this one person, but there really isn't any evidence that "Trumpism without Trump" works at all. Edited August 8 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 It’s more likely to be another D rate entertainer than a politician. My immediate thought is Elon Musk but he’s not eligible to be president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 President Kevin Sorbo with VP Scott Baio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Musk is the only who has proven he can build a cult like Trump, he’s a better conman than Trump, and he has money. With this Supreme Court, they may allow him on the ballot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: Musk is the only who has proven he can build a cult like Trump, he’s a better conman than Trump, and he has money. With this Supreme Court, they may allow him on the ballot. He can be the King of Mars. Go at it, buddy, Go git it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 5 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: It’s more likely to be another D rate entertainer than a politician. My immediate thought is Elon Musk but he’s not eligible to be president. Dwayne The Rock Johnson (who would win because he's famous) or Jesse Ventura (because he was conspiracy before conspiracy was cool). Can't be John Cena because he defends gay people. Maybe Jim Harbaugh (talk about weird) or they could turn to The Puppy Killer or Marjorie Taylor Greene or even Steven Miller, who's campaign slogan would be "It rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again". It would have to be a celebrity but not one of those fruity Hollywood types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted August 9 Author Share Posted August 9 40 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: …. even Steven Miller, who's campaign slogan would be "It rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again". …Talk about the perfect description for this gag-inducing excuse for a human being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 (edited) 5 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: Musk is the only who has proven he can build a cult like Trump, he’s a better conman than Trump, and he has money. With this Supreme Court, they may allow him on the ballot. Cult figure, charlatan, same difference. If you bought Tesla on the 1st day of trading in 2021, you've lost 17% of your investment, S&P up 43 % over the same interval. Edited August 9 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 On 8/7/2024 at 12:51 PM, Kacie said: Sort of on topic, but not. Who is the future of the Republican party? They seem to only like Trump, none of his loyal bootlickers, not the never Trumpers or anyone who has criticized him. I'm overwhelmed with the number of good options the Democrats have young and old. Is there an heir apparent to Trump? Are the Republicans even thinking about a post Trump world? All due respect, let's make sure Trump loses this election first, then let's contemplate this. Because first things first, or it won't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 On 8/7/2024 at 2:42 PM, oblong said: as a former GOP voter. If I had seen you post something like this ten or twelve years ago, I would have thought someone hacked your MTS account. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 On 8/7/2024 at 3:13 PM, CMRivdogs said: I agree, however Trump is not the only problem. Look at the conservative think tanks like the Heritage Foundation. They’ve all come around to even more extreme thinking than what Trump espouses. A lot very rich and powerful want it all and everyone one else be damned. And they are willing to do whatever it takes to get it. They still believe the rich will inherit the Kingdom or maybe I’ve been reading too many Daniel Silva novels Yes, this generation of very rich and powerful doesn't want "win win", and they don't even want "win". They want "win lose" because they want to vanquish and humiliate the opponents-cum-enemies. Humiliate is a big part of it because they are the Mortal Kombat generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 5 minutes ago, chasfh said: If I had seen you post something like this ten or twelve years ago, I would have thought someone hacked your MTS account. 😉 I was trying to remember the last Republican I voted for... Maybe Rick Snyder in 2014. I don't remember what I did in the GOP primary or whatever Michigan did in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 it is crazy to think about the pretty intense fights I had with posters here like 15 years ago that we never disagree now, obvs Oblong fits that description for me, Romad too. One thing I wonder for you guys that switched, if in 2028 let's say the GOP goes back to a pre-maga normal GOP and the presidential candidate is a regular ol' pre-maga GOP candidate. Are you guys like pretty much Democrats now and it would be an effort by the GOP to get you back? Or if this happens are you back to the GOP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben9753 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 minute ago, pfife said: it is crazy to think about the pretty intense fights I had with posters here like 15 years ago that we never disagree now, obvs Oblong fits that description for me, Romad too. One thing I wonder for you guys that switched, if in 2028 let's say the GOP goes back to a pre-maga normal GOP and the presidential candidate is a regular ol' pre-maga GOP candidate. Are you guys like pretty much Democrats now and it would be an effort by the GOP to get you back? Or if this happens are you back to the GOP? I don’t see any way they abandon the culture wars as their primary platform. Their people want it, it brings in the money. As long as they obsess over that stuff I can never go back. I don’t see that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 3 minutes ago, pfife said: it is crazy to think about the pretty intense fights I had with posters here like 15 years ago that we never disagree now, obvs Oblong fits that description for me, Romad too. One thing I wonder for you guys that switched, if in 2028 let's say the GOP goes back to a pre-maga normal GOP and the presidential candidate is a regular ol' pre-maga GOP candidate. Are you guys like pretty much Democrats now and it would be an effort by the GOP to get you back? Or if this happens are you back to the GOP? I don't know. My core principles are the same. I think I'll be with whichever party best represents those. i think punishing the GOP for straying from those is going to remain the template for a while. So, I will still be that guy at the shooting range who is shaking his head at all the nuttery going on around him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 minute ago, ben9753 said: I don’t see any way they abandon the culture wars as their primary platform. Their people want it, it brings in the money. As long as they obsess over that stuff I can never go back. I don’t see that happening. I would argue that was part of the GOP pre maga anyways. I definitely fought with Oblong and folks about culture war issues pre maga. One I remember fighting about a lot is was the ground zero mosque. We fought about abortion and alot of the same stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 The scales fell from my eyes in the early 2015 debates when the crazed audience was hooting about immigration and I'm like..."what is the big deal with that if we are trying to expand the pie?" Then the Russia crap. So much bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 9/11 was a prime mover for a ton of emotion. I was broken by the 2008 crash and my parents losing their house. I wasn't going to embrace Obama because I wasn't there yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 3 minutes ago, pfife said: I would argue that was part of the GOP pre maga anyways. I definitely fought with Oblong and folks about culture war issues pre maga. One I remember fighting about a lot is was the ground zero mosque. We fought about abortion and alot of the same stuff. Not to mention John Kerry's "swift boating" vs GW Bush's military career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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