gehringer_2 Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: David Hogg likes this pick. Seems like the young people like Walz. He’s got cool dad vibes. It will also help energize the progressives. Harris doesn't really have the kind of progressive street cred, Walz does. Edited August 6 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 In terms of oppo, I expect them to focus a lot on Minneapolis post-George Floyd. Not even clear whether Walz handled it poorly (my recollection was that it was a **** hand and he played it about as well as he could). The counter to that though: if you are Trump's campaign or a supporter of Trump, why would you want to remind anyone of anything that happened in 2020? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades of Deivi Cruz Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 9 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: That would be great. I struggle with all of those things. Well, except the oil. I just wait for the car to "ding", and then in it goes for service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 22 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I really like Tim Walz, have liked him long before this process... But I do sort of have a bad taste in my mouth that the process that led to him being picked led to a lot of impugning of Josh Shapiro and his faith. People can skewer me for that, but that's how I feel. I'm not convinced he wasn't the best strategic pick too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 12 minutes ago, pfife said: Side note... I'm a cspan listener from 7 to 10 am but they have scheduled guest on so I switched to MSNBC, Holy crap Morning Joe is terrible. I stopped watching when they had Trump on basically every day for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 5 minutes ago, mtutiger said: In terms of oppo, I expect them to focus a lot on Minneapolis post-George Floyd. Not even clear whether Walz handled it poorly (my recollection was that it was a **** hand and he played it about as well as he could). The counter to that though: if you are Trump's campaign or a supporter of Trump, why would you want to remind anyone of anything that happened in 2020? They are desperate to deflect their own racism by highlighting liberal racism, two words that really don’t even go together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Shapiro will still be very visible. I hope they let Walz be Walz; will be some errors, but the media are going to love writing vapid stories about his everyday man stuff. SHould be great two months. I doubt it, but progressives should be happy and actually on board. Of course, they will sit this one out yet again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 This Walz guy wears glasses? He's weak ! People who wear glasses are elitist snobs and they're weak. A real man wouldn't need no glasses! I think the Democrats have some good future stars (if they don't do anything stupid) Gretchen Wes Moore Josh Shapiro Andy Beshear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 This is ultimately right IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 The candidate just needs to not be controversial and take the attention away from the candidate like Vance. Let’s be real, Shapiro being a Jew would get a lot of attention from both the left and right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 20 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: This Walz guy wears glasses? He's weak ! People who wear glasses are elitist snobs and they're weak. A real man wouldn't need no glasses! I think the Democrats have some good future stars (if they don't do anything stupid) Gretchen Wes Moore Josh Shapiro Andy Beshear I was just going to ask how long it will take before Trump calls him "four eyes"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben9753 Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: The candidate just needs to not be controversial and take the attention away from the candidate like Vance. Let’s be real, Shapiro being a Jew would get a lot of attention from both the left and right. As a Jew myself, this hurts to hear in 2024. What happened to this country? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 9 minutes ago, ben9753 said: As a Jew myself, this hurts to hear in 2024. What happened to this country? I expected it from the right. What threw me off was how bad it is on the left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CMRivdogs Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 He clicks a lot of tabs for me. 24 year Army Natl Guard, gI believe he was a Master Sgt vs a guy who spent one tour in Iraq as a desk jockey. Went from a A rating from the NRA to an F currently. Not full out anti gun but does believe in tight ownership controls. His school lunch programs in Minnesota vs a party that claims to be pro life up until right after a child is born. I hope he debates Vance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 He also doesn’t shoot or eat dogs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 (edited) This makes a lot of sense as the bear case for Shapiro... And Fetterman, given his stance on I/P, gives it more weight IMO Edited August 6 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 14 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: This. And Walz may be the most articulate speaker since Bill Clinton when he talks about why liberialism/social welfare works for everyone. He argues the straight line from things like better child welfare and education to a safer more productive society in a very difficult to dispute manner. His argument for universal versus means testing school lunches is a great example - he gives two reasons, one for the conservatives and one for the liberals. 1), the universal program is so much easier to administer it's actually cheaper and 2) it prevents the immediate class distinction forming between haves and have nots in the lunchroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 You don't make VP campagin videos... but this could be an exception. That is not a transactional law. His joy is because all kids can eat. Like.... who can be against that? (We know who) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: In terms of oppo, I expect them to focus a lot on Minneapolis post-George Floyd. Not even clear whether Walz handled it poorly (my recollection was that it was a **** hand and he played it about as well as he could). The counter to that though: if you are Trump's campaign or a supporter of Trump, why would you want to remind anyone of anything that happened in 2020? First off, I like the Walz pick a lot. I think it helps shore up the base with progressive voters and gets them reengaged into this election. There will always be a segment of the left that will find qualms with any Democrat not named Bernie, AOC, Rashida, etc. Given Tim Walz list of people-focused, progressive accomplishments as Governor of Minnesota (free lunch program, gun safety reforms, public education spending, child tax credits, etc.) I think it's enough to excite the progressive/left base of the party to get out and vote for Kamala. The other big thing I like about Walz is his appeal to men, specifically white working class men. While we will never win a majority or anything close to even with white working class men, Walz does give us a chance at holding onto to some of the ones Biden won back. He can the Hank and Peggy Hills of the world that might not vote for Trump but aren't exactly excited to hold their nose and vote Democrat. He also overperforms, to an extent, with working class voters in rural America. I still don't think many of those voters will vote for a black women named Kamala, but picking Walz certainly doesn't hurt. Walz has that authentic, folksy, everyman kind of persona. He has a record of service in the military, he was a HS football coach, he's a dad. As a friend said to me this morning, he seems like the kind of guy that actually likes going to the state fair and eating a corn dog, riding the rides, and being there. Not a guy whose only doing it for the photo opp. He also neutralizes JD Vance's military service record because he has served himself. I don't know if there is one, singular, big knock on Tim Walz. Certainly nothing that compares to what Trump has done. I think their knock on Walz will be more of the same they've already been attacking Kamala on. Too far to the left, too radical, a marxist, bad on the border, responsible for high inflation, etc. Edited August 6 by Mr.TaterSalad 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I think their knock on Walz will be more of the same they've already been attacking Kamala on. Too far to the left, too radical, a marxist, bad on the border. To me one of Walz's strengths is that he won't shy from the label, he embraces it and can explain to you why he, as a 'Bubba' himself, thinks you need to see what he does. He also has the advantage that in Minnesota, you might say liberalism is very conservative. I know that sounds weird, but people in MN tend to be both liberal and hard headed (living there was sort of the antithesis of A^2!), so you seldom see even liberal programs in MN that have silly or ideological excesses - so I'm going to guess his liberalism carries less potential baggage as your average 'coastal elite' liberal might. Edited August 6 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 and good for our collective security. Not that Shapiro wouldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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romad1 Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 the part about Vance and couches is only half true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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