Hongbit Posted January 29 Posted January 29 Once again, check it out if you haven’t watched the Stalions Netflix documentary. At least to this point, he’s been the one hurt the most from this entire thing. He’s cooked as a college coach. Nobody will ever touch him. He really didn’t do anything wrong. The genius in what he did wasn’t in the videos. It was his system. The videos were just data. They weren’t the differentiator in why his system was better than others. It would be like saying a Ferrari has more performance than a Mustang because it uses better gasoline. The guy is savant with military regimen and work ethic. If not one of the Harbaugh’s, new Raiders GM John Spytek and fellow Michigan man Tom Brady should find a spot for him in their scouting department. The NFL doesn’t care about what happened and he’s someone that can move up the pro coaching ladder quickly. Quote
RedTeamGo! Posted January 31 Posted January 31 On 1/29/2025 at 1:49 PM, Hongbit said: Once again, check it out if you haven’t watched the Stalions Netflix documentary. At least to this point, he’s been the one hurt the most from this entire thing. He’s cooked as a college coach. Nobody will ever touch him. He really didn’t do anything wrong. The genius in what he did wasn’t in the videos. It was his system. The videos were just data. They weren’t the differentiator in why his system was better than others. It would be like saying a Ferrari has more performance than a Mustang because it uses better gasoline. The guy is savant with military regimen and work ethic. If not one of the Harbaugh’s, new Raiders GM John Spytek and fellow Michigan man Tom Brady should find a spot for him in their scouting department. The NFL doesn’t care about what happened and he’s someone that can move up the pro coaching ladder quickly. He did nothing wrong? He knowingly broke the rules lol Quote
buddha Posted January 31 Posted January 31 that continues to be the biggest, most ridiculous thing. its dumb. everyone does it, but he figured out a way to do it better and then everyone flips out. the ncaa has to prove its still relevant so they'll do something. like tattoo-gate that was equally as stupid and never should have been a big deal. Quote
RedTeamGo! Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 1/31/2025 at 11:31 AM, buddha said: that continues to be the biggest, most ridiculous thing. its dumb. everyone does it, but he figured out a way to do it better and then everyone flips out. the ncaa has to prove its still relevant so they'll do something. like tattoo-gate that was equally as stupid and never should have been a big deal. Everyone does not send advanced scouts to future opponent's games and record the sidelines lol. Come on man. I am not saying it is or is not a big deal, but that is just silly. The reason everyone does not and did not do that is because it is literally against NCAA rules and Stallions knew that. Quote
buddha Posted February 3 Posted February 3 1 hour ago, RedTeamGo! said: Everyone does not send advanced scouts to future opponent's games and record the sidelines lol. Come on man. I am not saying it is or is not a big deal, but that is just silly. The reason everyone does not and did not do that is because it is literally against NCAA rules and Stallions knew that. if you dont think schools are doing advanced scouting, i dont know what to tell you. everyone steals signs. its legal. they share those with each other. its documented. the rule against "in person scouting" is a useless caveat that is kept in place only because the north dakota states of the world dont want to spend money to send someone in person to "scout" or to have microphones in their helmets. everyone else is doing some form of it. everyone else steals signs IN PERSON and then shares them. its a distinction without a difference. all stallions did was come up with a better way to interpret them. but dont worry, the ncaa will hit michigan for it in some way. they do every time michigan breaks some stupid rule like stretching too long. they enjoy hitting michigan and michigan is too inept or aloof to just play the game like other, better run athletic departments. especially since harbaugh had his attitude toward them and refused to do the very simple thing of just playing their game. harbaugh missed almost half the season during their 15-0 run, that would be more than enough for such a minor violation. he's got a show cause against him. that should be more than enough. but its the ncaa and they need to show they have some relevance and thry hate michigan so next year michigan will get some sort of scholarship reduction and then appeal it and we'll all sit here and wait 3 years for some resolution. Quote
RedTeamGo! Posted February 3 Posted February 3 17 minutes ago, buddha said: if you dont think schools are doing advanced scouting, i dont know what to tell you. everyone steals signs. its legal. they share those with each other. its documented. the rule against "in person scouting" is a useless caveat that is kept in place only because the north dakota states of the world dont want to spend money to send someone in person to "scout" or to have microphones in their helmets. everyone else is doing some form of it. everyone else steals signs IN PERSON and then shares them. its a distinction without a difference. all stallions did was come up with a better way to interpret them. but dont worry, the ncaa will hit michigan for it in some way. they do every time michigan breaks some stupid rule like stretching too long. they enjoy hitting michigan and michigan is too inept or aloof to just play the game like other, better run athletic departments. especially since harbaugh had his attitude toward them and refused to do the very simple thing of just playing their game. harbaugh missed almost half the season during their 15-0 run, that would be more than enough for such a minor violation. he's got a show cause against him. that should be more than enough. but its the ncaa and they need to show they have some relevance and thry hate michigan so next year michigan will get some sort of scholarship reduction and then appeal it and we'll all sit here and wait 3 years for some resolution. You are refusing to understand what I am saying. The poster I responded to said Stallions is being attacked for developing a new way of doing stuff and being cutting edge, etc. He knowingly broke the rules. Acting like he is some choir boy that did everything the right way but is getting attacked because he was too good is just nonsense. Hopefully his "manifesto" gets released soon. Quote
buddha Posted February 3 Posted February 3 4 hours ago, RedTeamGo! said: You are refusing to understand what I am saying. The poster I responded to said Stallions is being attacked for developing a new way of doing stuff and being cutting edge, etc. He knowingly broke the rules. Acting like he is some choir boy that did everything the right way but is getting attacked because he was too good is just nonsense. Hopefully his "manifesto" gets released soon. lol. i'm not "refusing" to do anything. merely stating my opinion on the subject and - as usual - a number of different tangents that pop into my head as i type. 1 Quote
romad1 Posted February 4 Author Posted February 4 (edited) OSU fans have a lot of spent capital on the Connor Stallions thing. Whatever. Just a few years ago, the SEC was paying its players in total contravention of the rules. When the B1G could do it legally, it suddenly tilted the college football landscape. Edited February 4 by romad1 Quote
RedTeamGo! Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) 12 hours ago, romad1 said: OSU fans have a lot of spent capital on the Connor Stallions thing. Whatever. Just a few years ago, the SEC was paying its players in total contravention of the rules. When the B1G could do it legally, it suddenly tilted the college football landscape. Not really, just responded to another poster saying Stallions was a genius that did nothing wrong. You will get no argument from me the SEC was cheating like crazy. Edited February 4 by RedTeamGo! Quote
Hongbit Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) 36 minutes ago, RedTeamGo! said: Not really, just responded to another poster saying Stallions was a genius that did nothing wrong. You will get no argument from me the SEC was cheating like crazy. You can absolutely think what I’m saying is nonsense but I’d hope that you would do your own research to form your opinion before jumping to that conclusion about mine. Look, I had the same thoughts that you did about Stalions based on all the information in the media. I am also about as far as a Michigan supporter that you will find on the board. After watching the Netflix special and then reading up on other details on the case, I realized the story that was told and spread like wildfire wasn’t accurate to what really happened. Stalions does have genius level intellect and what he did wasn’t wrong. He broke a very minor rule that only provided him better data to do something that was absolutely not against the rules. It’s really no different than OSU’s recent violation for mistakenly using a blocking sled in an offseason workout or providing a recruit with a custom edit for his social media. Edited February 4 by Hongbit Quote
gehringer_2 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) the thing that one always has to keep in mind is that NCAA rules and in particular the level of importance that org assigns to particular ones seldom relate in any logical way to ethical behavior in the real world. One you accept that, you can free yourself of the burden of trying to make sense out of what they do or how they enforce. The institution is like a giant game of Simon Says: the value of a thing that you do doesn't matter, only if they've told you to do or not do it. Thus it's pointless to argue about whether what Stallions did was more or less ethical or actually generated any advantage that wasn't already available or whether Harbaugh buying a hungry kit a happy meal was an act of recruitment or just everyday decency. NCAA doesn't care about those underlying realities. Edited February 4 by gehringer_2 1 Quote
Hongbit Posted February 4 Posted February 4 I agree and that’s why it’s a waste of time using NCAA rules to determine if something was right or wrong. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Hongbit said: I agree and that’s why it’s a waste of time using NCAA rules to determine if something was right or wrong. If you were a Michigan fan, the NCAA lost any credibility it still had with the Jamal Crawford case, and the org has only continued to get steadily worse since. In the end Jamal went to the NBA and had a great career but the NCAA was no help to him in any of it. Quote
buddha Posted February 4 Posted February 4 2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: If you were a Michigan fan, the NCAA lost any credibility it still had with the Jamal Crawford case, and the org has only continued to get steadily worse since. In the end Jamal went to the NBA and had a great career but the NCAA was no help to him in any of it. or mcgary. but jamal crawford was the worst. michael oher becomes a national hero and his guardians did the same thing as what happened to crawford. like you said, the ncaa doesnt care about common sense or the purpose of rules, they only care if something has been violated and then if you cooperate with them. the osu stuff with "tattoo-gate- was the same level of ridiculousness. Quote
RedTeamGo! Posted February 4 Posted February 4 6 hours ago, Hongbit said: You can absolutely think what I’m saying is nonsense but I’d hope that you would do your own research to form your opinion before jumping to that conclusion about mine. Look, I had the same thoughts that you did about Stalions based on all the information in the media. I am also about as far as a Michigan supporter that you will find on the board. After watching the Netflix special and then reading up on other details on the case, I realized the story that was told and spread like wildfire wasn’t accurate to what really happened. Stalions does have genius level intellect and what he did wasn’t wrong. He broke a very minor rule that only provided him better data to do something that was absolutely not against the rules. It’s really no different than OSU’s recent violation for mistakenly using a blocking sled in an offseason workout or providing a recruit with a custom edit for his social media. I mean, you said in this post what he did wasn’t wrong and then said “he broke a rule” - not sure what else to say. as for the extremely biased Netflix doc, I’ll pass. Quote
Hongbit Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) 40 minutes ago, RedTeamGo! said: I mean, you said in this post what he did wasn’t wrong and then said “he broke a rule” - not sure what else to say. as for the extremely biased Netflix doc, I’ll pass. I said it above. I don’t automatically equate breaking a minor NCAA rule as doing something wrong. The doc doesn’t necessarily paint UM in the best light. Certainly not biased towards the coaches. They and Stalions appear to have openly and continually lied to investigators about what they did. The doc makes it seem as if there was a cover up. That is a big problem and why Michigan is still dealing with it. Much like Burgergate, they should’ve to come clean right from the start. As for Stalions, he was fired and is done as a college coach so he has no reason to cooperate with the NCAA or even tell them the truth. Edited February 4 by Hongbit Quote
Shelton Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Damn, that’s high praise from Hongbit. Probably a troll job. Quote
Hongbit Posted February 5 Posted February 5 It’s a sad story of being so close to a lifelong dream and losing it forever right as it was about to happen. I don’t think he did anything wrong since sign stealing is perfectly legal. I don’t feel the same way about Michigan coaches and administrators. They did him no favors and are probably guilty of yet again covering something up and making a nothing story much bigger than it needed to be. Quote
romad1 Posted February 5 Author Posted February 5 If I were the NCAA I would spend time on actual health of the student athletes and maintaining competitive balance among the titans of the sport. The smaller rosters were imposed by a court case and they seem to be creating the conditions for the latter. So, really nothing they did. College football and basketball are both very popular. They generate revenue for a lot of people. That runs from the ad exec who somehow sells Liberty Mutual the dross they put out as commercials to the bar that shows a mid-week basketball game between a couple mid-major schools to give the barflies something to look at as they drown their sorrows. College sports also make a lot of money for the gambling element. I wonder what more could be done to ensure these sports are not manipulated by self-interested people in these large organizations. Quote
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