Michigan Football 2024 aka The Year Michigan has to Defend a Natty

[Tigerbomb13]

6 minutes ago, Adullin said:

To me the part about this loss that hurts is Illinois did everything they could to lose. Between fumbles and interception Michigan refused to win. 

Yeah I wasn’t impressed at all by Illinois. It’s just hard to win when you have a team that is completely unprepared and you have a quarterback that throws like his fingers have succumbed to frostbite.  

 

[buddha]

Indiana got a new coach who actually knows how to coach and look at them now.

michigan will muddle along with moore for a couple years and watch the program crater.  

[romad1]

Broken

[romad1]

Bama broken too... No consolation but

[gehringer_2]

half the season to play and the title of this thread already reads as parody.

[romad1]

Even our former starter is losing to MSU

[lordstanley]

Texas is back …but not all the way. 23-0 Georgia at the half. 

Edited October 20 by lordstanley

[romad1]

2 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

Texas is back …but not all the way. 23-0 Georgia at the half. 

MSU looks so much better coached than Michigan does.  That's shocking. 

[Motor City Sonics]

So, the rest of the way

Michigan State  - I don't like Blue's chances - even at home, but this is their season already

Oregon - They will be ranked #1 tomorrow after the Texas loss

Indiana -  They look pretty legit right now

Northwestern -  not a very good team, might be a win

Ohio State - They're looking for revenge. 

I have  L, L, L, W, L       5-7 for the season.    

 

What just shocks me is that a one of the absolute elite programs, coming off of a Natty,  does not have a viable QB.  How did they not recognize this?   Most of the Big 10 has Portal QBs this year, but Michigan has  Warren-Orji-Tuttle and their one QB glimmer of hope, Jadyn Davis is likely to transfer.    They almost have to give this kid a shot, don't they? 

I expected a down year.  Meaning 8-4

How the hell did this happen?  

[lordstanley]

3 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

So, the rest of the way

Michigan State  - I don't like Blue's chances - even at home, but this is their season already

Oregon - They will be ranked #1 tomorrow after the Texas loss

Indiana -  They look pretty legit right now

Northwestern -  not a very good team, might be a win

Ohio State - They're looking for revenge. 

I have  L, L, L, W, L       5-7 for the season.    

 

What just shocks me is that a one of the absolute elite programs, coming off of a Natty,  does not have a viable QB.  How did they not recognize this?   Most of the Big 10 has Portal QBs this year, but Michigan has  Warren-Orji-Tuttle and their one QB glimmer of hope, Jadyn Davis is likely to transfer.    They almost have to give this kid a shot, don't they? 

I expected a down year.  Meaning 8-4

How the hell did this happen?  

And they could easily have lost to USC and Minnesota. Only one win by more than 10 points. 

[Motor City Sonics]

3 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

And they could easily have lost to USC and Minnesota. Only one win by more than 10 points. 

.......and some sort of punishment is coming, and coming soon, which won't do much for recruiting. 

Harbaugh escaped.    

[gehringer_2]

25 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

How the hell did this happen?  

Because Harbaugh knew he was bailing and that win or lose, JJ was his last shot to win at UM. In Jim's world there was no tomorrow in Ann Arbor after JJ, so no need to have another QB ready.

Edited October 20 by gehringer_2

[buddha]

22 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Because Harbaugh knew he was bailing and that win or lose, JJ was his last shot to win at UM. In Jim's world there was no tomorrow in Ann Arbor after JJ, so no need to have another QB ready.

we won a national championship, are you ok with that?

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

we won a national championship, are you ok with that?

He asked the question, that is the essence of the answer, it’s no more or less than that. If you want a kinder gloss, you can say Harbaugh hamstrung his own recruiting by so publicly and constantly courting the NFL, same difference as far as the current team goes. 
 

I’m fine with the NC, I just don’t  really care about it. Doesn’t make the sky in Ann Arbor any bluer. 
 

if I like a movie, I don’t care if it wins an Oscar. If a team was entertaining in a given season, they get as far as they get. It’s entertainment, the value ends there.  ‘OK’ or not doesn’t really parse as a question. 

[Motor City Sonics]

8 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Because Harbaugh knew he was bailing and that win or lose, JJ was his last shot to win at UM. In Jim's world there was no tomorrow in Ann Arbor after JJ, so no need to have another QB ready.

But Moore was the OC and had plenty of time to find someone.   He couldn't see that the 3-headed monster wasn't good enough.   That doesn't make him look too good. 

[buddha]

7 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

He asked the question, that is the essence of the answer, it’s no more or less than that. If you want a kinder gloss, you can say Harbaugh hamstrung his own recruiting by so publicly and constantly courting the NFL, same difference as far as the current team goes. 
 

I’m fine with the NC, I just don’t  really care about it. Doesn’t make the sky in Ann Arbor any bluer. 
 

if I like a movie, I don’t care if it wins an Oscar. If a team was entertaining in a given season, they get as far as they get. It’s entertainment, the value ends there.  ‘OK’ or not doesn’t really parse as a question. 

harbaugh's departure hamstrung an administration that is bereft of the ability to think outside the box.  moore was available, cheap, and required no effort to hire.  he's michigan's Al Avila.

if moore is 5-7 with a loss to michigan state and an embarassment at osu, does he stay?  i think so because there is no way they fire him after one season.

[RedTeamGo!]

How in the wide of world of sports did Michigan go into this season without a competent QB? 
 

I mean, hell, Indiana got a kid from the MAC and he’s been excellent. It’s so weird to me. 
 

I mean, I get they entered the portal market late and JJ didn’t declare for draft until late and the uncertainty with Harbaugh and potential sanctions. But, there weren’t any transfer QBs still available or any in the spring portal? Zero they could bring in? 
 

Did Moore really coach Orji, Tuttle, and Warren for years and say to himself “we are fine”?

Edited October 20 by RedTeamGo!

[RedTeamGo!]

It honestly comes across as arrogance from Moore. He must have just said “we will run all over teams, they cannot stop us. We don’t need a QB” and goodness is he wrong. 

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, buddha said:

harbaugh's departure hamstrung an administration that is bereft of the ability to think outside the box.  moore was available, cheap, and required no effort to hire.  he's michigan's Al Avila.

if moore is 5-7 with a loss to michigan state and an embarassment at osu, does he stay?  i think so because there is no way they fire him after one season.

I really don't know - I've said before I think they have a longer term perspective than the fan base and are happy to tread water - at least for a while - waiting to see where the future shakes out and being frugal until they see where inivestment give them the best shot at longer term success - but that's a pretty subliminal impression, they may just be incompetent. .

the afterglow of the NC meant that income for this year was assured so I don't see where real pressure comes from at least till next season.

Edited October 20 by gehringer_2

[buddha]

10 hours ago, RedTeamGo! said:

How in the wide of world of sports did Michigan go into this season without a competent QB? 
 

I mean, hell, Indiana got a kid from the MAC and he’s been excellent. It’s so weird to me. 
 

I mean, I get they entered the portal market late and JJ didn’t declare for draft until late and the uncertainty with Harbaugh and potential sanctions. But, there weren’t any transfer QBs still available or any in the spring portal? Zero they could bring in? 
 

Did Moore really coach Orji, Tuttle, and Warren for years and say to himself “we are fine”?

once jj declared there were not any qbs left in the portal.

most of those things are worked out well ahead of time.  well before the portal "opens."

[gehringer_2]

21 minutes ago, buddha said:

once jj declared there were not any qbs left in the portal.

most of those things are worked out well ahead of time.  well before the portal "opens."

That's fair to a degree, but the counterpoint is that even if JJ had re-upped that's not adequate excuse to be that thin behind him. The portal has certainly upset a lot of conventional recruiting SOP, but in a top college program you still have to keep a pipeline stocked at the most critical position on the field. We all saw enough of Orji last season to be underwhelmed. 

[MichiganCardinal]

10 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

That's fair to a degree, but the counterpoint is that even if JJ had re-upped that's not adequate excuse to be that thin behind him. The portal has certainly upset a lot of conventional recruiting SOP, but in a top college program you still have to keep a pipeline stocked at the most critical position on the field. We all saw enough of Orji last season to be underwhelmed. 

But the counter-counterpoint is that in 2024, 4* QBs aren't hanging around in the wings as backups. If they're not starting, they're going somewhere where they will.

Michigan had two starting QBs... until one of them transferred to Iowa. It's hard to convince a kid to come to any school - not just Michigan - for the chance to compete for the starting gig, if the kid ahead of you declares for the draft as a Junior. And if they stay, sorry, just keep holding that clipboard kid. Arch Manning is the exception, not the rule, and probably wouldn't be doing what he's doing if his last name wasn't what it is.

Now, the fact that Orji is as bad as he is after multiple years of tutelage? No excuses for that.

[Motor City Sonics]

MICHIGAN IS NOT RANKED?   

WHAT A CROCK !!!!

 

[buddha]

10 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

But the counter-counterpoint is that in 2024, 4* QBs aren't hanging around in the wings as backups. If they're not starting, they're going somewhere where they will.

Michigan had two starting QBs... until one of them transferred to Iowa. It's hard to convince a kid to come to any school - not just Michigan - for the chance to compete for the starting gig, if the kid ahead of you declares for the draft as a Junior. And if they stay, sorry, just keep holding that clipboard kid. Arch Manning is the exception, not the rule, and probably wouldn't be doing what he's doing if his last name wasn't what it is.

Now, the fact that Orji is as bad as he is after multiple years of tutelage? No excuses for that.

there's no excuse for the oline to be this bad.  no excuse for them not to know how to use orji.  they just came into this year thinking they were going to run last year's offense without multiple nfl draft picks and a first round nfl qb.

again, moore is al avila.  he was there when the hall of fame coach/gm left so he got hired.  as if coaching pixie dust will rub off.

and now were stuck.  theyre going to lose all the rest of their games except northwestern, they'll lose recruits, and the cycle will begin. next year will be a "prove it" year and they wont prove it.  but they wont fire him because "he needs time to put his plan into place".  so the program will degrade and the next coach will come in with nothing.  

only this time there isnt a harbaugh available to save them.

[RedTeamGo!]

11 hours ago, buddha said:

once jj declared there were not any qbs left in the portal.

most of those things are worked out well ahead of time.  well before the portal "opens."

I completely agree tampering exists, that is why I am confused as to why UM went into this year without a QB. Michigan has clearly tampered with multiple transfers the last few years (this isn't a negative, literally everyone is doing it) Anyone with half a brain knew JJ was going to declare. There is no way UM actually thought he was going to stick around for another year. Also, in this age of NIL and transfer portal, etc. They could haver tampered with someone between the winter and sprint portal and got someone to "enter the portal" in the spring window. 

 

Edited October 21 by RedTeamGo!