Michigan Football 2024 aka The Year Michigan has to Defend a Natty

[TP_Fan]

You son of a bitch, you did it. Check must have cleared.  I guess one down year after a natty ain’t bad. 

[romad1]

Its huge for sure.   If he's half the leader JJ was... we got a chance to get back on that podium. 

[Hongbit]

They are a long way from a return to the podium and will lose a massive amount of talent next year.  Underwood is a huge foundation for the rebuild.  He will attract other recruits and portal transfers.

Curious to hear the terms of his contract. I wonder if that will get out or become stuff of campus legend.  

[romad1]

7 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

They are a long way from a return to the podium and will lose a massive amount of talent next year.  Underwood is a huge foundation for the rebuild.  He will attract other recruits and portal transfers.

Curious to hear the terms of his contract. I wonder if that will get out or become stuff of campus legend.  

That's the cascade effect of his signing.

[TP_Fan]

39 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

They are a long way from a return to the podium and will lose a massive amount of talent next year.  Underwood is a huge foundation for the rebuild.  He will attract other recruits and portal transfers.

Curious to hear the terms of his contract. I wonder if that will get out or become stuff of campus legend.  

I mean they aren’t a long way. This likely puts them in the playoffs next year. 

[Deleterious]

I wouldn't count on anything the first year from a true freshman.  Even the most talented ones are still a huge crapshoot.

Year one goal with him is simple.  Do enough to get him to year 2 without transferring.  Any type of other winning is just icing on the cake.  

[gehringer_2]

The Hopium is strong in here today.

[buddha]

12 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

The Hopium is strong in here today.

you just got the consensus #1 recruit in the country who plays the most important position in the country and your response is snarky "hopium"?

man, you are one jaded sob.  lol 

[buddha]

michigan just recruited vince young 2.0.  if they can keep him they will be very good in 2 years.  recruits will follow.  portal recruits will follow.

[Dan Gilmore]

Yeah, can’t you be relentlessly upbeat, like Budda?

[MichiganCardinal]

I'll drop some pessimism in the chat.

Michigan fans are a lot of things, but patient isn't one of them. I'm worried for the kid, if he does indeed start as a true freshman, when he has a really bad game. The jump from high school football, even a powerhouse like Belleville, to D1 college B1G football, is immense. The players are way bigger, way faster, way stronger, and way smarter. The expectations are unfathomable to a 17-year-old, especially when you're getting that kind of fat check. And right now, there won't be a lot of talent around him.

He went 11/23 for 188 yards, 1 TD, and 2 INTs in his last game at Belleville. If he does that against Oklahoma in September, a lot of crazies who went and recruited him at his first round playoff game are going to (unjustifiably) lose their minds. He's going to need a resiliency and mental focus that cannot be taught.

I also feel for Jadyn Davis, who was told all year "we aren't going to use you even though we could use you, because we need you next year!" only to have the rug yanked out from under him. The best thing for the program would be for Davis and Underwood to be treated like Ewers and Manning, or even McNamara and McCarthy... But I doubt they get that kind of organizational patience after dropping eight figures on a 17-year-old.

It's a good thing for the Michigan football program, don't get me wrong. It means they've entered the Brave New World of college football, for better or worse. This is nothing short of an absolute statement that they're prepared to go punch for punch with Ohio State and the SEC in a way they never have before. Gone are the days of Brady Hoke's 3*s going up against the Ohio State machine.

But I don't think this is "Jim Harbaugh is coming to Michigan" news that destines the program for National Championship contention. Notre Dame, Oklahoma, USC, Miami, Nebraska, and Texas A&M are all schools who will write blank checks for their own Bryce Underwood, get top ten ratings on the recruitment sites, get a meaningless preseason top ten ranking, and routinely fall flat on their face en route to an 8-4 season, or worse. They've all been in the depths of college football purgatory for a long time. You've got to develop these high school phenoms, and you've got to assemble a team, not just individually really talented puzzle pieces.

[Hongbit]

Michigan is in the same boat as Ohio State.  Two schools with all of the resources but a misunderstanding on the most important part of a being a championship caliber team year in and year out.     

There are a couple routes to going about building a great program and winning a natty.  

There’s only one factor to creating a program that can expect to not only play for a national title practically every year but have a great shot of winning.  It’s not getting the best QB, spending the most money, or winning in the portal.  

 It is 100% about having the right coach.  That is all the matters to be truly elite.  Everything else falls in line behind the championship coach.

The idiocy of Ohio State spending $25M on players and let a lackie like Ryan Day run the program is amazing.  You’d think after 5 years, it would occur to someone at OSU why they haven’t won the title in so long despite incredible players and teams.    

Michigan spending $10M on a generational talent at QB and then letting Sharrone Moore coach him seems like the same giant waste.    

If UM really wants to take the next step and take full advantage of their resources they need to get real and let Sharrone go.     They should make a run at Saban and see if he will come back.   

Edited November 22, 2024 by Hongbit

[Motor City Sonics]

A headline today    "How Michigan pulled off Bryce Underwood flip"

 

This is how, morons

 

[Deleterious]

The Larry Ellison angle was odd to me.  

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, Hongbit said:

They should make a run at Saban and see if he will come back.   

except that paying $10M to a player is exactly why Saban said he left - as mind blowingly ironic as that statement is coming from an Alabama coach.

[RandyMarsh]

Does Underwood receive all this money up front or does it depend on if he actually stays the full 3 or 4 years? If it doesn't whats stopping him from taking the reported 10-12 million then transferring next year?

[Hongbit]

17 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Does Underwood receive all this money up front or does it depend on if he actually stays the full 3 or 4 years? If it doesn't whats stopping him from taking the reported 10-12 million then transferring next year?

Nobody knows for sure and we may never will.  
 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

So did we end up with two 5 star players now? The Offensive Tackle kid and Bryce Underwood? Is Sherrone Moore going to be the new Jimbo Fischer where he buys players with NIL and still produces mediocrity or will he and his staff rise to the occasion and win with the solid recruiting class they're bringing in?

Edited November 22, 2024 by Mr.TaterSalad

[Hongbit]

7 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

So did we end up with two 5 star players now? The Offensive Tackle kid and Bryce Underwood? Is Sherrone Moore going to be the new Jimbo Fischer where he buys players with NIL and still produces mediocrity or will he and his staff rise to the occasion and win with the solid recruiting class they're bringing in?

Sharrone was right place, right time.  Due to circumstances, Michigan was the only school that would’ve hired him as a head coach last year.   I suspect even after this seasons experience, nobody else would hire him as head coach if he were on the market today.     

[buddha]

12 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I'll drop some pessimism in the chat.

Michigan fans are a lot of things, but patient isn't one of them. I'm worried for the kid, if he does indeed start as a true freshman, when he has a really bad game. The jump from high school football, even a powerhouse like Belleville, to D1 college B1G football, is immense. The players are way bigger, way faster, way stronger, and way smarter. The expectations are unfathomable to a 17-year-old, especially when you're getting that kind of fat check. And right now, there won't be a lot of talent around him.

He went 11/23 for 188 yards, 1 TD, and 2 INTs in his last game at Belleville. If he does that against Oklahoma in September, a lot of crazies who went and recruited him at his first round playoff game are going to (unjustifiably) lose their minds. He's going to need a resiliency and mental focus that cannot be taught.

I also feel for Jadyn Davis, who was told all year "we aren't going to use you even though we could use you, because we need you next year!" only to have the rug yanked out from under him. The best thing for the program would be for Davis and Underwood to be treated like Ewers and Manning, or even McNamara and McCarthy... But I doubt they get that kind of organizational patience after dropping eight figures on a 17-year-old.

It's a good thing for the Michigan football program, don't get me wrong. It means they've entered the Brave New World of college football, for better or worse. This is nothing short of an absolute statement that they're prepared to go punch for punch with Ohio State and the SEC in a way they never have before. Gone are the days of Brady Hoke's 3*s going up against the Ohio State machine.

But I don't think this is "Jim Harbaugh is coming to Michigan" news that destines the program for National Championship contention. Notre Dame, Oklahoma, USC, Miami, Nebraska, and Texas A&M are all schools who will write blank checks for their own Bryce Underwood, get top ten ratings on the recruitment sites, get a meaningless preseason top ten ranking, and routinely fall flat on their face en route to an 8-4 season, or worse. They've all been in the depths of college football purgatory for a long time. You've got to develop these high school phenoms, and you've got to assemble a team, not just individually really talented puzzle pieces.

in the history of qb recruits who were #1 overall and #1 qb, there has never been a qb who missed.  most were AT LEAST very good.  the worst (jimmy clausen) were merely really good.  the best (vince young) were world beaters.

this is a game changing recruit for michigan.  jadyn davis was a 4* recruit whose stock had dropped considerably when he didnt grow between sophomore and senior year.  underwood is on a different level.  davis is welcome to stay but probably wont, and that's ok in today's cfb.  he will be well compensated to play for an ACC school next year and will be just fine.

now michigan needs receivers and some oline portal transfers.

oh, and a guy who can call plays.

[gehringer_2]

23 minutes ago, buddha said:

oh, and a guy who can call plays.

May as well add a D that can stop some people while you're wish-listing.

[buddha]

11 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

May as well add a D that can stop some people while you're wish-listing.

what would make you actually enjoy michigan football?

they won a national championship and you were still a glum c*** about it.  what would make you actually happy?  a collection of rhodes scholars playing for the love of the game?  lol.

[gehringer_2]

22 minutes ago, buddha said:

what would make you actually enjoy michigan football?

they won a national championship and you were still a glum c*** about it.  what would make you actually happy?  a collection of rhodes scholars playing for the love of the game?  lol.

Glum is a misread.  The games remain the games,  institutional loyalty is what it is, but having been tied to the maze and blue for over 50 yrs by family, education, employment, and residence, I am now more amused/bemused in its sports pretensions and foibles than any capacity I retain to be swept up by the institutionally misfit dog and pony show major college athletics has become, so it would probably be fair to say I no longer meet the definition of a "fan." How about loyal non-fan?

(and get off my lawn.......)

Edited November 23, 2024 by gehringer_2

[romad1]

Listening to Sam and the MGOBLOG guys on Thursday they were basically confirming more than rumint that at least one of the coordinators is guaranteed gone with heavy hint that OC is gone and DC is probably gone.  

 

[Hongbit]

13 hours ago, buddha said:

 

now michigan needs receivers and some oline portal transfers.

oh, and a guy who can call plays.

I’ll be very surprised if MSU’s star freshman WR Nick Marsh isn’t wearing maize and blue next year.     Kirk Campbell is 100% out as OC.   There’s no doubt there.  It’s just a matter of who they find to replace him.   
 

On another note,  I’m currently trying to figure out if there’s any reason for me not to take the 10.5 points today seeing as Michigan hasn’t won a game by more than 10 since week 1.