AlaskanTigersFan Posted August 28, 2024 Posted August 28, 2024 (edited) Heres the big board. https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/big_board Lions Picks: First round Second round Fourth round Fifth round Sixth round (from Buccaneers) Seventh round Seventh round (from Cowboys) Edited August 28, 2024 by AlaskanTigersFan Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted August 28, 2024 Author Posted August 28, 2024 I figured I'd start this now that the 53 man roster is now "complete" so to speak. Is this where the Lions start trading out of the first round for two second rounders then consolidate their later picks? Are we at the point where we have more players than we need the picks? I notice a lot of teams are cutting even 5th round draft picks. Maybe we trade back next year out of the first and get two seconds then use the three seconds to address WR, Edge and IOL. Those are pretty much the only long term needs. I trust Brad to draft. Barring injury (and I know things change), we don't really have too many long term needs. After next year it might be time to start heavily investing in the lines again.... But we should have at least two years of stability there for the most part especially if Manu and Mohagany pan out.... Thoughts on that? Quote
Hongbit Posted August 28, 2024 Posted August 28, 2024 My only care on this right now is the hope we are picking 31st or 32nd. 3 1 Quote
Cruzer1 Posted October 6, 2024 Posted October 6, 2024 On 8/28/2024 at 10:36 AM, AlaskanTigersFan said: I figured I'd start this now that the 53 man roster is now "complete" so to speak. Is this where the Lions start trading out of the first round for two second rounders then consolidate their later picks? Are we at the point where we have more players than we need the picks? I notice a lot of teams are cutting even 5th round draft picks. Maybe we trade back next year out of the first and get two seconds then use the three seconds to address WR, Edge and IOL. Those are pretty much the only long term needs. I trust Brad to draft. Barring injury (and I know things change), we don't really have too many long term needs. After next year it might be time to start heavily investing in the lines again.... But we should have at least two years of stability there for the most part especially if Manu and Mohagany pan out.... Thoughts on that? The rest of the NFL is going to improve. There's never a perfect team, teams have to continuously improve their roster at all times. The Lions need to keep their foot on the pedal imo. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted January 6 Posted January 6 It's nice to not have this even be in the corner of our minds here in January, but for the majority of the NFL, they are looking ahead to maybe one day being the next Detroit Lions. Tennessee Titans (3-14) Cleveland Browns (3-14) New York Giants (3-14) New England Patriots (4-13) Jacksonville Jaguars (4-13) Las Vegas Raiders (4-13) New York Jets (5-12) Carolina Panthers (5-12) New Orleans Saints (5-12) Chicago Bears (5-12) San Francisco 49ers (6-11) Dallas Cowboys (7-10) Miami Dolphins (8-9) Indianapolis Colts (8-9) Atlanta Falcons (8-9) Arizona Cardinals (8-9) Cincinnati Bengals (9-8) Seattle Seahawks (10-7) I love that the Bears had an awful season even by their standards - lost 11 straight games at one point - fired a coordinator, then fired a coach, are working hard to ruin another rookie QB...... and barely have a top 10 pick to show for it. Quote
RedRamage Posted January 6 Posted January 6 So we all know that Holmes will go best player available (virtually) regardless of position... but where do we think this teams needs the most help? Assuming the starting DL is ready to go (Hutch, McNeill, Reader, Smith) I don't see a huge need there. We probably should be looking for a DE as Smith is getting pretty old. We could use more depth at LB, but we're decent there with Barns, Anzalone, Campbell, Rodrigo. At secondary I feel we're in very good shape with Arnold, Davis, Branch, Joseph and then Rakestraw, Robertson, the other Joseph at backups. On offense: RB? Good. WR? Maybe some depth, but otherwise good. TE? Good. QB? Good. I honestly think that OL is maybe the area of biggest concern -- which seems REALLY odd to say, but: LT Decker: 31 years old (rightnow) LG Glasgow: 32 C Ragnow: 28 RG Zeitler: 34 RT Sewell: 24 60% of the OL is on the wrong side of 30 right now. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted January 6 Posted January 6 10 minutes ago, RedRamage said: So we all know that Holmes will go best player available (virtually) regardless of position... but where do we think this teams needs the most help? Assuming the starting DL is ready to go (Hutch, McNeill, Reader, Smith) I don't see a huge need there. We probably should be looking for a DE as Smith is getting pretty old. We could use more depth at LB, but we're decent there with Barns, Anzalone, Campbell, Rodrigo. At secondary I feel we're in very good shape with Arnold, Davis, Branch, Joseph and then Rakestraw, Robertson, the other Joseph at backups. On offense: RB? Good. WR? Maybe some depth, but otherwise good. TE? Good. QB? Good. I honestly think that OL is maybe the area of biggest concern -- which seems REALLY odd to say, but: LT Decker: 31 years old (rightnow) LG Glasgow: 32 C Ragnow: 28 RG Zeitler: 34 RT Sewell: 24 60% of the OL is on the wrong side of 30 right now. Generally speaking, I think Holmes drafts not for that coming season, but for what the team will look like in 2-3 seasons. Whereas generally he uses free agency and trading to address immediate needs. It's why he takes guys like Vaki, Manu, and Rakestraw in the draft, trades for a guy like CDIII, and signs a guy like Zeitler. On offense, Mahagony seems to have the inside lane to replace one of Glasgow and Zeitler, once it's needed. Knock on all the wood, but Ragnow has had a very healthy season after battling that nagging turf toe all of last year. I'm not at all worried about his longevity right now. So that said, you probably need one guard and maybe one tackle, depending on how well Gio Manu develops, which none of us know. Beyond the line, you maybe need to think about replacing Montgomery in the coming years, though Vaki may be primed to do so. You need to make a decision on Jamo as well. If Jamo is extended, you're pretty well set at WR for the foreseeable future. You could probably stand to improve on Tim Patrick, but there's no urgency or real "need" there. Run it back with Tim Patrick, find the next Tim Patrick, whatever, they'll figure something out, like they've done between DJ Chark and Josh Reynolds. I think the slightly more likely direction is still on defense, and specifically the line. The line is anchored by McNeill and Hutch, and you have DJ Reader and Za'Darius Smtih for next season, but Reader will be 31 and Smith 33 next season, in addition to McNeill rehabbing an ACL. Z's snap counts and usage also indicates that there isn't a lot of trust there on run defense, and the youth there in Brodric Martin hasn't showed the development that a lot of us were hoping for (not writing him off, just saying he's not ready). I do think they give Levi a second contract, which is crazy to have said a year ago, but overall that's probably the unit with the most question marks looking to 2026 and 2027, that could also use a rookie's immediate boost. I've been pounding the drum for a few seasons, but I think finding an A-tier edge rusher to line up across from Hutch could take the defense from being top-ten to top-three in the league. I think the linebackers are set, and may be among the best in the league next year, as long as Glenn stays or the replacement picks up where he's leaving off. Carlton Davis will probably, though not necessarily, walk this offseason. They might pick up a free agent replacement, but you have Amik and Rakestraw still here, so there's not a ton of urgency there either, and in any event your safeties are the best in the league. This is a really good team. Now and in the future. It's a fun time to be a fan. 1 Quote
Nate7474 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 You’ve got some free agents to make decisions on with some major contract extensions looming as well in future years to consider how much you want to spend this year. oline- Zietler could be gone but I’d try and resign him for another 1 year. I do think Mahogany can replace him here but still feel with need another guard. Ragnow is a potential retire as well definitely if we win the Super Bowl so a center could be needed. Then you already mentioned Decker fading so anyway you cut it some young depth is needed along then online. Secondary- Another FA is Davis and I think he’s due for a big pay raise. Do we do that and risk losing one of our drafted guys by not being able to afford an extension? I think they could let him walk or franchise tag him. Melifonwu could be looking for a bigger deal and starting roll than the Lions are willing to give but I’d try to get him back. Dline- you’ve got Barnes as a FA who I’d like back and Levi who has played very well down the stretch. Can we count on him to be healthy for the contract he’s likely to get? I think I would be looking for depth here. so with all that said and Pre free agency I’m looking. DE-Interior OL- DT- S/CB depth Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted January 8 Author Posted January 8 Taylor Decker has fallen off recently. Might be time to replace him. He's allowed 8 sacks this year and I think most of those have come in the last half of the year.... Maybe he's hurt? https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/taylor-decker/10650#gradesWidget Quote
Hongbit Posted January 8 Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said: Taylor Decker has fallen off recently. Might be time to replace him. He's allowed 8 sacks this year and I think most of those have come in the last half of the year.... Maybe he's hurt? https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/taylor-decker/10650#gradesWidget They signed Decker to an extension in the offseason. There’s a possible out after next season but it’s $22M in dead cap if they cut him This offseason. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted January 8 Posted January 8 6 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said: Taylor Decker has fallen off recently. Might be time to replace him. He's allowed 8 sacks this year and I think most of those have come in the last half of the year.... Maybe he's hurt? https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/taylor-decker/10650#gradesWidget I think the sacks are a little inflated because of Goff and the high powered offense. Goff, for all his strengths, is not a mobile QB who is going to escape pressure and extend a play. And with how good the offense is, we would rather protect the ball, take a 1st or 2nd down sack, and setup a 2nd and 17 or 3rd and 11 (because this offense can routinely pick that up), than have Goff throw a ball he doesn't want to trying to avoid the sack, and have it get picked or stripped... For comparison, the Ravens LT is Ronnie Stanley, who has allowed 2 sacks. The Bills LT is Dion Dawkins, who has allowed 3 sacks. I think Decker is as good or better than both of them, even if the sacks don't show it. He's had some bad moments, but I think he's still got at least one more year in him. He's still probably a top-20 to top-30 OT in the league, and those don't grow on trees. He's no Sewell, but Sewell is playing like a future Hall of Famer, so it's not exactly a fair comparison. Their hope is probably that Gio Manu continues to develop into a good starting LT or RT and can replace Decker in 2026 or 2027. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted January 8 Posted January 8 I really think the biggest "need" for the Lions in the offseason will indeed be the offensive line. They have an aging Oline with Decker, Glasgow, Ragnow, and Zeitler all pushing or north of 30. I'd like to see them get their future RT in the first round. I'd like to add another long-term, starting Guard at some point in the draft. I don't know that they will move on from Decker next year, but I'd like they to get a long-term starting option at the Tackle position. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted January 8 Posted January 8 The Lions have drafted two offensive or defensive linemen in every draft under Holmes. I like that strategy. You're bound to hit on some of the middle-round ones like McNeil and possibly Mahogany. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Don't forget about Manu either. A long-term project, but I bet he turns into something. Quote
Nate7474 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: The Lions have drafted two offensive or defensive linemen in every draft under Holmes. I like that strategy. You're bound to hit on some of the middle-round ones like McNeil and possibly Mahogany. I agree here. I believe we will always see a couple draft picks every year along the 2 lines. Specifically with regards to the interior OLine being always later draft picks. Those players seem to fall in the draft every year with an example of a Mahogany last year where most “experts” had him much higher. the nice thing about the draft is I don’t believe this team has much in the way of weaknesses so its more about finding the right player that provides plus value to this team where they are being picked. This is great imo as I like Holmes ability to move around the draft and identity the players he likes and doesn’t get stuck on positional value. It does however make them a tough team to mock draft for. We could also pick up an extra draft picks over the next couple years if Glenn gets a head job or Agnew a GM job. Those can be big to keeping us competitive as the role players start to get expensive and need to move on. The stars are always going to make their money. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/6/2025 at 11:45 AM, RedRamage said: So we all know that Holmes will go best player available (virtually) regardless of position... but where do we think this teams needs the most help? Assuming the starting DL is ready to go (Hutch, McNeill, Reader, Smith) I don't see a huge need there. We probably should be looking for a DE as Smith is getting pretty old. We could use more depth at LB, but we're decent there with Barns, Anzalone, Campbell, Rodrigo. At secondary I feel we're in very good shape with Arnold, Davis, Branch, Joseph and then Rakestraw, Robertson, the other Joseph at backups. On offense: RB? Good. WR? Maybe some depth, but otherwise good. TE? Good. QB? Good. I honestly think that OL is maybe the area of biggest concern -- which seems REALLY odd to say, but: LT Decker: 31 years old (rightnow) LG Glasgow: 32 C Ragnow: 28 RG Zeitler: 34 RT Sewell: 24 60% of the OL is on the wrong side of 30 right now. Yes, OL. Maybe an edge rusher? A #3 wide receiver? Tim Patrick would do, we have so many other weapons. But...jeez...whoever Holmes picks will help, with Campbell and the coaches developing them and easing them in. This is a very well run organization. Quote
RandyMarsh Posted January 9 Posted January 9 All things being equal I'd like either an interior o lineman or d lineman. Continue to build the team from the inside out. Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted Sunday at 04:26 AM Author Posted Sunday at 04:26 AM I hope the Lions go Edge here. How different would this game have been with Hutch in? Matching Hutch with another stud DE will greatly enhance this team going forward...... Unless Grant from UofM falls to them...... They may need another Corner too. I'd be ok if they went DE, CB fist an second round..... 1 Quote
RedRamage Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago Well... at least we're not drafting last, right?? Quote
RedRamage Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago On 1/18/2025 at 11:26 PM, AlaskanTigersFan said: I hope the Lions go Edge here. How different would this game have been with Hutch in? Matching Hutch with another stud DE will greatly enhance this team going forward...... Unless Grant from UofM falls to them...... They may need another Corner too. I'd be ok if they went DE, CB fist an second round..... I've said it before and I'll say it again... Holmes will draft best player available (almost) regardless of position. Honestly, just completely throw out the positional depth chart because Holmes does not care. He does not care if he drafts a position of need or not, certainly not in the early rounds. If the bpa is a DE, great. If it's a Tackle, he'll draft the tackle. If it's a linebacker, that's who he'll draft. Positional need does come into play, but it is much, much further down the list when evaluating players than we've ever see in a Lions GM previously (at least as long as I've been paying attention to the draft). That doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't speculate. This is a fan message board after all. It's just that when you speculate look at players, not positions. Does he have a high motor? Does he love football? Does he play hard? Those are the things they are looking for first and foremost. Does he fill a position of need? Okay, that's nice. That's bump him up maybe 1 or 2% on our rankings. Quote
1984Echoes Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago On 1/8/2025 at 12:07 PM, Mr.TaterSalad said: I really think the biggest "need" for the Lions in the offseason will indeed be the offensive line. They have an aging Oline with Decker, Glasgow, Ragnow, and Zeitler all pushing or north of 30. I'd like to see them get their future RT in the first round. I'd like to add another long-term, starting Guard at some point in the draft. I don't know that they will move on from Decker next year, but I'd like they to get a long-term starting option at the Tackle position. Adding to this... It seems everyone is good with Ragnow sticking with the Lions for now and not considering retirement for the foreseeable future... And I'm good with this. But my question is: Has anyone heard anything on the undrafted Center we kept last year... and who made it through the Practice Squad this year...? Kingsley Eguakun... who the scouting reports had something like: "Has an outside chance to turn into a starter in the NFL". I'm just looking at our backup situation at Center for next year and... if Fraley is turning Kingsley into a viable option there... I know we hear next to nothing about the practice squad... just thought I would ask anyways... Quote
Motown Bombers Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago Glasgow is still the backup center. With the emergence of Mahagony, Glasgow may not even start if they re-sign Zeitler. Quote
Jason_R Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago It seems like the only thing they really need, other than a dozen defensive players who went on injured reserve, is someone they can groom to take over for Ragnow. And they may not even see someone in this draft class they like for that role. Quote
1984Echoes Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 27 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Glasgow is still the backup center. With the emergence of Mahagony, Glasgow may not even start if they re-sign Zeitler. Ahh, yeah, I could see that. I like that too: Mahogany-Ragnow-Zeitler with Glasgow as the top interior backup... Although I am still interested to see if Eguakun develops into a viable center option down the road... Quote
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