Jimbo Posted February 13 Posted February 13 20 minutes ago, Hongbit said: We are all close to saying the same thing just in different ways. The question is not do the Lions draft for need or BPA. This isn’t up for debate. They draft the best player available on their draft board. They’ve said it countless times publicly over the past few years. There’s no reason not to believe them. The question should be how much does need factor in to the creation of their board? It’s definitely a factor and has some impact in their rankings as we’ve seen in the last few drafts. They might draft a player more with upside more now than in the past. Your teams roster does change how you create your board. This what I think the Vaki and Manu picks were. I could be wrong but its just a different team now which means your needs change. When you have holes everywhere, its easy to go with straight up BPA. There is also the situation where you think there is a game changer that has dropped because other teams needs and the rules of not drafting certain positions early (Gibbs pick). I also think they might be willing to take a player like Jalen Carter more now than two years ago because of the leadership they have. They did go with Jamo three years ago although I don't think he was thought to be an issue when they drafted him. 1 Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Hongbit said: We are all close to saying the same thing just in different ways. The question is not do the Lions draft for need or BPA. This isn’t up for debate. They draft the best player available on their draft board. They’ve said it countless times publicly over the past few years. There’s no reason not to believe them. The question should be how much does need factor in to the creation of their board? It’s definitely a factor and has some impact in their rankings as we’ve seen in the last few drafts. Was the RB position considered a need when they drafted Gibbs? In their eyes it must have been to an extent. To a lot of arm chair GMs and fans I don't think they had RB as a need after signing Montgomery. I know I didn't look at the position as a need going into the draft that year. 1 Quote
Dan Gilmore Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I think it also comes from seeing an opportunity to get a player they see as special enough to be able to dominate and make plays. That was what they saw in Gibbs. They could have relied on Montgomery and someone else, but Gibbs can break defenses. I think they hope Arnold will develop into a dominant CB (now that he’s not getting so many flags). They wanted Gonzales, but Terrion is close, imo. 1 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Montgomery was a Williams replacement and Swift was in the last year of his contract. I think the Lions looked at RB as a need. I also believe they would have stayed at 6 and drafted Witherspoon if he had been available. I think people look at it as best player available because they took a RB so high. Quote
Hongbit Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Part of the philosophy they have talked about is using free agency to address current needs and the draft to add the best players that fit their system. I do believe that needs plays some role in how they set their board but probably far less than other teams. Quote
Hongbit Posted February 13 Posted February 13 The Lions correctly valued Gibbs much higher than probably any other team in the league and we have seen how it’s worked out. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted February 13 Posted February 13 The league seems to be swinging back to a more running league and the Lions were at the forefront of that. I think this staff feels they need two number one backs. Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted February 17 Posted February 17 7 more women accuse Justin Tucker. Do the Browns need a kicker? Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted February 17 Posted February 17 8 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: 7 more women accuse Justin Tucker. Do the Browns need a kicker? Has a kicker ever gotten fully guaranteed money in a contract? Quote
romad1 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 On 2/13/2025 at 4:07 PM, Motown Bombers said: Montgomery was a Williams replacement and Swift was in the last year of his contract. I think the Lions looked at RB as a need. I also believe they would have stayed at 6 and drafted Witherspoon if he had been available. I think people look at it as best player available because they took a RB so high. Swift was NOT a Dan Campbell player. He's talented but not mentally tough to be a winner. Ben Johnson might make something of him or he might waste cycles trying to make something out of him. Quote
Shinzaki Posted February 17 Posted February 17 I think we take one of three players if we stay put. Grey Zabel, Jack Sawyer or Derrick Harmon Quote
Hongbit Posted February 17 Posted February 17 (edited) I’m not sure about Zabel. I know he’s been rising fast but Brad has shown a desire to take players from established Power 5 conferences with his high picks. Don’t see him on board with a NDSU guy in the 1st. Edited February 17 by Hongbit Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted February 18 Posted February 18 10 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Has a kicker ever gotten fully guaranteed money in a contract? No, but the Browns are trailblazers. Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted February 18 Posted February 18 8 hours ago, romad1 said: Swift was NOT a Dan Campbell player. He's talented but not mentally tough to be a winner. Ben Johnson might make something of him or he might waste cycles trying to make something out of him. Coudn't stay healthy Quote
Shinzaki Posted February 18 Posted February 18 5 hours ago, Hongbit said: I’m not sure about Zabel. I know he’s been rising fast but Brad has shown a desire to take players from established Power 5 conferences with his high picks. Don’t see him on board with a NDSU guy in the 1st. Zabel is viewed as a guy who can ...with some development.. start at C and at the very least fill a role anywhere on the line as a reserve early on. Is that 1st round value? Some say yes...some say no. I would prefer to see and edge or a DT...but won't quibble over an IOL, whether it's Zabel or someone else. Now watch Holmes go out and draft a WR or another CB Quote
1984Echoes Posted February 19 Posted February 19 Zabel has the looks of a Glasgow 2.0... Which would be end of the 2nd/ 3rd round value. I don't believe he obliterates opponents. He is not a Penei Sewell... he's more of a Jack-of-All-Trades with a chance to start. They look for domination in the 1st round and Zabel isn't that... They very well may really like the guy... But I think they will have him properly valued as a late 2nd round guy. Along with quite a few other 2nd/3rd round O-Lineman who have some promise... I think they take a pass-rusher they love, or a run-stopping DE with pass-rush upside... or a CB that they love... In the 1st round. I don't see them taking Zabel in the 1st. Just my 2 cents... Quote
RedTeamGo! Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) On 2/2/2025 at 2:48 PM, Hongbit said: Not a great leader. Came up empty in too many big games and is a poor loser. Doesn’t seem like a good culture fit. I was really down on Sawyer the last couple of years, however, after the Oregon game Day took 100% control away from Jim Knowles, who was using the DEs to contain outside runs and not blitzing with them at all, Day gave control of the DL to Larry Johnson and next thing you know Sawyer and JTT unleashed hell the rest of the year, including against Michigan. I think if OSU had a different DC during Sawyer and JTT's tenure they would have had much different careers. As for being a sore loser, yeah, he lost his cool after losing to Michigan for a 4th time in his last season in college at the school he grew up rooting for 10 miles down the road and made a mistake, otherwise can you point to one instance where he was a sore loser? But even so, what, do you want a guy that is a-ok with losing? I bet Campbell would rather have someone who hates losing than someone that just shrugs and goes on their way. I find it amusing, Michigan fans quickly forgave Donovan Edwards for retweeting anti-semitic remarks but grabbing a flag is unforgivable. Edited February 19 by RedTeamGo! Quote
Cruzer1 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 This draft is set up pretty well for the Lions. It's pretty deep where they might need help. The defensive tackle group is really deep. 1 Quote
Jimbo Posted February 27 Posted February 27 DE and RB is also deep which could help the Lions since they don't really need a RB. This could be a draft they trade down. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted February 27 Posted February 27 On 2/17/2025 at 7:59 PM, Motor City Sonics said: Coudn't stay healthy That is definitely a Brad Holmes type of player though because there is contractual value in guys that can't stay healthy. Quote
buddha Posted February 27 Posted February 27 On 2/19/2025 at 11:40 AM, RedTeamGo! said: I was really down on Sawyer the last couple of years, however, after the Oregon game Day took 100% control away from Jim Knowles, who was using the DEs to contain outside runs and not blitzing with them at all, Day gave control of the DL to Larry Johnson and next thing you know Sawyer and JTT unleashed hell the rest of the year, including against Michigan. I think if OSU had a different DC during Sawyer and JTT's tenure they would have had much different careers. As for being a sore loser, yeah, he lost his cool after losing to Michigan for a 4th time in his last season in college at the school he grew up rooting for 10 miles down the road and made a mistake, otherwise can you point to one instance where he was a sore loser? But even so, what, do you want a guy that is a-ok with losing? I bet Campbell would rather have someone who hates losing than someone that just shrugs and goes on their way. I find it amusing, Michigan fans quickly forgave Donovan Edwards for retweeting anti-semitic remarks but grabbing a flag is unforgivable. bitter, table for one. under the name brutus. brutus b. Quote
RedTeamGo! Posted February 28 Posted February 28 That aside - I root for the Lions, I think a healthy Hutch paired with Sawyer would be a pretty nasty DE tandem. Both have very high motors. Would be fun to watch. Quote
Hongbit Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Just heard on NFL Network combine coverage, Colston Loveland had both AC and Labrum surgery on his shoulder. He’s 6 months out from being able to handle contact. I wonder if this drops him out of 1st round consideration. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted March 1 Posted March 1 (edited) Pick Cost for Hendon Hooker & Joe Milton By Charlie Campbell Quote Around the league, teams agree this is a bad year to need to find a starting quarterback. The 2025 NFL Draft is weak at quarterback in terms of top talent and depth. The free agency and trade marketplace has aging, declining, and expensive veterans. The younger quarterbacks that are free agents all have flaws, and there are few good options for quarterback-needy teams this offseason. Some team evaluators think another option to consider would be trading for a young backup with a good skill set and starter upside. Two quarterbacks that fit that criteria are the Lions’ Hendon Hooker and the Patriots’ Joe Milton. After reaching out to team sources at both franchises, they both felt their teams would be willing to trade their young backups for a fourth-round pick. Hooker or Milton both have good arms, some athleticism and produced some good tape from the preseason and their limited opportunities in the regular season. After getting some NFL coaching, Hooker and Milton are also further along in their development compared to drafting a rookie quarterback. They also are extremely cheap, with multiple years remaining under contract. Some team sources feel that Hooker and Milton are better options than drafting any of the quarterbacks in this draft, aside from Cam Ward and Shedeur Sanders. Players drafted in the fourth round have backup grades at that point in the draft, so a team would not really be losing out if Hooker or Milton remained No. 2 quarterbacks for their new team. They also have the upside with the talent to be starters, so a fourth-round pick for one of them should be an intriguing option for quarterback-needy teams around the league. Edited March 1 by MichiganCardinal Quote
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