2025 NFL Draft

[slothfacekilla]

I'm really excited about the two OG they drafted.  I feel like a lot of their offensive success is based around their line and having guys who are athletic enough to execute multiple blocks + exotic schemes (mostly Sewell).  With their interior line getting older and older it has been a worry of mine losing some of that.

[1984Echoes]

1 hour ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I do think Holmes drafted for need this draft in a way we hadn't seen in past drafts. Not to say that he had blinders on as to who his best players were, or that he was going to allow himself to be pigeon-holed into taking any particular position, but I think he was more conscious this year about the role that players would take, both immediately and in the near-future.

For instance, in 2021 and 2022 for sure, and even the last two years to an extent, I think he relied much more on his Big Board, without respect for position. If the Board landed on doubling up on DTs with Levi and Alim, so be it. If the Board landed on taking a RB, LB, and TE with the first three picks, that's fine. If we double up on CBs with Arnold and Rakestraw, okay. He just wanted talent. The absolute best players out there.

I think he came in knowing the positions he was targeting early this year, with more of a laser focus on checking those boxes... DE, DT, WR, OG... Did he check all of those boxes? No, we left without a high-quality edge rusher, because again, he wasn't going to be forced into making a pick he didn't love. But he checked most of those boxes while still finding players he loved.

I just don't think he was about to take two DBs again, or a RB and TE. It's still BPA, but it's a little more focused than in year's past.

Absolutely spot-on assessment...

[lordstanley]

 

[Jason_R]

42 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

I'm really excited about the two OG they drafted.  I feel like a lot of their offensive success is based around their line and having guys who are athletic enough to execute multiple blocks + exotic schemes (mostly Sewell).  With their interior line getting older and older it has been a worry of mine losing some of that.

Yes OL is the engine of the team. Sadly Glasgow had the worst game (per PFF) of any Lion in the playoff game last year of anyone not named Jared Goff. They could not roll him out there for another season. 

[MichiganCardinal]

6 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Yes OL is the engine of the team. Sadly Glasgow had the worst game (per PFF) of any Lion in the playoff game last year of anyone not named Jared Goff. They could not roll him out there for another season. 

I think Glasgow is more about age than talent. He'll be 33 by week one. Last year, the playoff game was his 17th start. That takes its toll. I think he'll still be valuable this year as an OL6, even if he's not a starter. You just need to keep his legs fresh and his body right.

In the NFL, you can't really count on all three of your IOL starting all 17 games. He'll get his chances, and I think he'll be a good veteran to have off the bench in those situations.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Jason_R]

Seems like the consensus is that the Baltimore Rapists had the best draft. 

[Deleterious]

 

[Jimbo]

19 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I do think Holmes drafted for need this draft in a way we hadn't seen in past drafts. Not to say that he had blinders on as to who his best players were, or that he was going to allow himself to be pigeon-holed into taking any particular position, but I think he was more conscious this year about the role that players would take, both immediately and in the near-future.

For instance, in 2021 and 2022 for sure, and even the last two years to an extent, I think he relied much more on his Big Board, without respect for position. If the Board landed on doubling up on DTs with Levi and Alim, so be it. If the Board landed on taking a RB, LB, and TE with the first three picks, that's fine. If we double up on CBs with Arnold and Rakestraw, okay. He just wanted talent. The absolute best players out there.

I think he came in knowing the positions he was targeting early this year, with more of a laser focus on checking those boxes... DE, DT, WR, OG... Did he check all of those boxes? No, we left without a high-quality edge rusher, because again, he wasn't going to be forced into making a pick he didn't love. But he checked most of those boxes while still finding players he loved.

I just don't think he was about to take two DBs again, or a RB and TE. It's still BPA, but it's a little more focused than in year's past.

This is kind of what I was saying about BPA is different as your team gets better and you have less holes.   Especially after what happened last season with injuries.  You want to be able to add quality depth.  So the players you are interviewing more are areas you want more depth.  I also think people get caught up in what the so called experts are saying with mock drafts and while watching the draft.  If you look at the trades the Lions made in the draft, they weren't giving up assets for a position that the team already has good depth at.  I think the Lions would of drafted Will Johnson if they didn't like their depth in the secondary.  He seemed like the Branch pick which was a value pick that worked out great. 

[RatkoVarda]

the 2021, 22, and 23 drafts may literally be the best 3 year run ever. 8 of 23 players drafted (35%) are Allpro. I actually like 25 class over 24 class. this does not include UDFAs.

1    Penei Sewell    7    All world
2    Levi Onwuzurike    41    Part time starter on 2nd contract
3    Alim McNeill    72    All pro
3    Ifeatu Melifonwu    101    Productive player on 2nd contract
4    Amon-Ra St. Brown    112    All pro
4    Derrick Barnes    113    Part time starter on 2nd contract
7    Jermar Jefferson    257    7R hung around roster bubble for years
1    Aidan Hutchinson    2    All pro
1    Jameson Williams    12    Talented, but not altogether
2    Josh Paschal    46    Part time starter on 2nd contract
3    Kerby Joseph    97    All pro
5    James Mitchell    177    Some talent, not a good fit
6    Malcolm Rodriguez    188    Fantastic value for 6R
6    James Houston    217    Some talent, was not a good fit
7    Chase Lucas    237    7R hung around, signed with new team
1    Jahmyr Gibbs    12    All pro
1    Jack Campbell    18    Starter
2    Sam LaPorta    34    Starter all pro
2    Brian Branch    45    Starter all pro
3    Hendon Hooker    68    Unknown, trending sideways as best
3    Brodric Martin    96    Unknown, looks like 1st true miss
5    Colby Sorsdal    152    Not bad for 5R, not going to make '25 roster
7    Antoine Green    219    Hanging around
1    Terrion Arnold    24    Starter, solid but not impactful
2    Ennis Rakestraw    61    Injuries held him back, solid backup?
4    Giovanni Manu    126    Total wildcard - if '26 starter, another HR for Brad, could be nothing
4    Sione Vaki    132    Not sure what Brad was so excited about
6    Mekhi Wingo    189    Fantastic value for 6R
6    Christian Mahogany    210    Fantastic value for 6R, starter in '25
1    Tyleik Williams    28    If he comes close to Alim, then A pick
2    Tate Ratledge    57    Starter in '25?
3    Isaac TeSlaa    70    If starts in '26, then A pick
5    Miles Frazier    171    Fantastic value for 5R?
6    Ahmed Hassanein    196    Perfect culture fit, can he produce in '26?
7    Dan Jackson    230    ST guy, any more than that?
7    Dominic Lovett    244    ST guy, can he make roster?

[RedRamage]

20 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I think Glasgow is more about age than talent. He'll be 33 by week one. Last year, the playoff game was his 17th start. That takes its toll. I think he'll still be valuable this year as an OL6, even if he's not a starter. You just need to keep his legs fresh and his body right.

In the NFL, you can't really count on all three of your IOL starting all 17 games. He'll get his chances, and I think he'll be a good veteran to have off the bench in those situations.

I totally agree on this. Glasgow is still valuable as a backup who can play either Guard spots or Center, but probably getting to be a bit too old to be a reliable starter for a full season.

[RedRamage]

9 hours ago, Deleterious said:

 

You gotta be more than a little messed up in the head to think it's funny to call complete strangers to 'prank' them at a time like this. I mean seriously... how is that even remotely funny?

"Oh look, you're all excited because you might get drafted... and I'm gonna pretend to be someone drafting you... and HA! You totally fell for it! How stupid are you!! Ha!"

If I was Sanders or from the Sanders family I'd refuse to hear an apology from Jax. I wouldn't believe for a second it was sincere. Someone who doesn't see this as dumb and mean before doing it isn't going to suddenly change his tune and be remorseful. I wouldn't hold it against Jeff... but I wouldn't spend one moment of my time giving Jax any avenue to try to repair his reputation.

[ben9753]

Just incredibly immature. Kid will bear the consequences. Any internet search will bring this up for the rest of his life. 
edit: he’s not a kid. If he was 15… ok but he’s 21

Edited 18 hours ago by ben9753

[RedRamage]

I hope the phone call was more sincere. Here Jax says that his action was: Inexcusable, embarrassing, shameful, selfish, and childish. Jax says that made a terrible mistake and messed up one of the greatest moments of someone's life. 

I would expect a 21 year-old to have enough smarts to not do something that is inexcusable, embarrassing, shameful, selfish, childish, and messes up one of the greatest moments of someone else's life. I don't believe that Jax really thinks that way about what he did.

Yeah, we all do dumb stuff sometimes. But it's pretty rare to do something that monumentally dumb.

[Deleterious]

Did he apologize to everyone he pranked, or just the ones we know about? 

 

[MichiganCardinal]

40 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

I hope the phone call was more sincere. Here Jax says that his action was: Inexcusable, embarrassing, shameful, selfish, and childish. Jax says that made a terrible mistake and messed up one of the greatest moments of someone's life. 

I would expect a 21 year-old to have enough smarts to not do something that is inexcusable, embarrassing, shameful, selfish, childish, and messes up one of the greatest moments of someone else's life. I don't believe that Jax really thinks that way about what he did.

Yeah, we all do dumb stuff sometimes. But it's pretty rare to do something that monumentally dumb.

Maybe it's my generation speaking (not that I'm that much older than Jax), but I also feel like the medium is a little superficial.

The whole "I screwed up so let me take a picture of a black background and type a four-sentence apology into Instagram, tag him, and call it a day" just feels childish in and of itself. To the extent he feels the need to make a public post (I don't know that he does), it should be focused on Shedeur and the fact he called him to apologize. Then moving on and creating space for the victim of your behavior.

Everything else is just actually trying to "apologize" to the public in order to salvage any reputation in the public eye he can.

[Jimbo]

Listen, I don't like what he did.  Regardless who it is, I am never OK kicking someone when they are already down.

That being said, they are just prank calls.  He shouldn't be canceled like he got accused or rape or killed someone while drinking and driving.  Obviously prank calls are not as popular as they use to be.  I am just wondering if this was Howard Stern's staff or your local radio station if everyone would be so upset? 

[RedRamage]

11 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

Listen, I don't like what he did.  Regardless who it is, I am never OK kicking someone when they are already down.

That being said, they are just prank calls.  He shouldn't be canceled like he got accused or rape or killed someone while drinking and driving.  Obviously prank calls are not as popular as they use to be.  I am just wondering if this was Howard Stern's staff or your local radio station if everyone would be so upset? 

On one hand I agree with you... This is "just" a prank call and I'm not calling for Jax to be tarred and feathered then kicked out of society. But, on the other hand it's about time and place.

I don't think Howard Stern, or your local radio station, would prank call someone at such a time and place like this. It's one thing to call a random person and say: "Hey, is your refrigerator running? Then you better go catch it!" It's another thing altogether to "prank" someone on draft day. Most of us will never experience something like this so I'm trying to find some sort of analogy, but I can't. I mean you've got friends and family all there ready to celebrate... The next 5+ years of your life are about to change massively and with a potentially gigantic payday and some strange calls triggering all your (and your family/friends) excitement only for them to go: "Psyc! I fooled you!"

Okay, maybe this analogy (kinda) works: You just found out your mom needs a kidney transplant or she'll die in a few months. You don't have the money for it, let along wondering how long she'll have to wait on the transplant list... you make a go fund me and talk about it on social media.

Suddenly you get a call from a stranger: "Listen, I'm a multi-millionaire and my life was saved by a self-less organ donation in the past and I'm really moved by your story. I'm looking to pay it forward for the blessing I had. Not only will I pay for the surgery and the after-care, but I have connects and I'm getting your mom to the top of the list. You're prayers have been answered. Everything is going to be great."

As you're tearfully trying to thank the man he suddenly interrupts you: "Ha!! You believed me? You loser! Ha!" and hangs up the phone.

[RedRamage]

Quick side note: I'm not clutching at pearls here. I'm not saying Jax is evil or literally Hitler. I'm not calling for this being a major national scandal that demands a blood sacrifice. 

I'm just saying it's a pretty lousy, disrespectful thing to do and I wouldn't accept the apology as I don't think Jax is sincere. I wouldn't demand a more sincere apology or anything, I'd just be like: "Dude, I don't want to talk to you, I don't want anything to do with you. Leave me alone."

[ben9753]

1 hour ago, RedRamage said:

On one hand I agree with you... This is "just" a prank call and I'm not calling for Jax to be tarred and feathered then kicked out of society. But, on the other hand it's about time and place.

I don't think Howard Stern, or your local radio station, would prank call someone at such a time and place like this. It's one thing to call a random person and say: "Hey, is your refrigerator running? Then you better go catch it!" It's another thing altogether to "prank" someone on draft day. Most of us will never experience something like this so I'm trying to find some sort of analogy, but I can't. I mean you've got friends and family all there ready to celebrate... The next 5+ years of your life are about to change massively and with a potentially gigantic payday and some strange calls triggering all your (and your family/friends) excitement only for them to go: "Psyc! I fooled you!"

Okay, maybe this analogy (kinda) works: You just found out your mom needs a kidney transplant or she'll die in a few months. You don't have the money for it, let along wondering how long she'll have to wait on the transplant list... you make a go fund me and talk about it on social media.

Suddenly you get a call from a stranger: "Listen, I'm a multi-millionaire and my life was saved by a self-less organ donation in the past and I'm really moved by your story. I'm looking to pay it forward for the blessing I had. Not only will I pay for the surgery and the after-care, but I have connects and I'm getting your mom to the top of the list. You're prayers have been answered. Everything is going to be great."

As you're tearfully trying to thank the man he suddenly interrupts you: "Ha!! You believed me? You loser! Ha!" and hangs up the phone.

Reminds me of Scott’s Tots

[MichiganCardinal]

2 hours ago, RedRamage said:

On one hand I agree with you... This is "just" a prank call and I'm not calling for Jax to be tarred and feathered then kicked out of society. But, on the other hand it's about time and place.

I don't think Howard Stern, or your local radio station, would prank call someone at such a time and place like this. It's one thing to call a random person and say: "Hey, is your refrigerator running? Then you better go catch it!" It's another thing altogether to "prank" someone on draft day. Most of us will never experience something like this so I'm trying to find some sort of analogy, but I can't. I mean you've got friends and family all there ready to celebrate... The next 5+ years of your life are about to change massively and with a potentially gigantic payday and some strange calls triggering all your (and your family/friends) excitement only for them to go: "Psyc! I fooled you!"

Okay, maybe this analogy (kinda) works: You just found out your mom needs a kidney transplant or she'll die in a few months. You don't have the money for it, let along wondering how long she'll have to wait on the transplant list... you make a go fund me and talk about it on social media.

Suddenly you get a call from a stranger: "Listen, I'm a multi-millionaire and my life was saved by a self-less organ donation in the past and I'm really moved by your story. I'm looking to pay it forward for the blessing I had. Not only will I pay for the surgery and the after-care, but I have connects and I'm getting your mom to the top of the list. You're prayers have been answered. Everything is going to be great."

As you're tearfully trying to thank the man he suddenly interrupts you: "Ha!! You believed me? You loser! Ha!" and hangs up the phone.

I've applied to jobs before where you know that if you get it, you'll get a call on a certain date, and if you don't get it, you'll get an email the following week. I didn't invite friends and family to a watch party (which is for the best, because I didn't get it), but I would be pretty hurt if someone prank called me and told me I got the job. That's a really messed up thing to do.

That said, I also agree with your other post and generally with Jimbo. The court of public opinion can get quickly out of hand when everyone on social media feels the need to one-up the last post's level of outrage. We don't need to crucify a dumbass for being a dumbass. He may not be a "child," but even at 21, his frontal lobe isn't fully developed. Not to stray into the political, but there's a reason the Michigan Supreme Court is taking mandatory life imprisonment off the table for 19- and 20-year-olds. We understand more now about brain development and how decisions are made at a young age.

In the privacy of his home, surrounded by his friends, he made an enormously stupid decision. It probably wouldn't happen at 30, and he doesn't need to pay for it for the rest of his life.

[buddha]

On 4/27/2025 at 10:32 AM, Jason_R said:

Yes Holmes drafts for need but unlike the media, which just remembers that Detroit could not get pressure on Washington in the playoffs, Holmes remembers that they have Aidan Hutchinson coming back. And he probably has an understanding with Zadarius Smith, in addition to some solid pieces already on the roster. Edge is not as big of a need as the media thinks. 
 

McNeil is not coming back until around Halloween. Reader is year to year. Defensive tackle is an urgent need. Zietler is gone. Glasgow is depth at this point, not starter material. Guard is an urgent need. Tim Patrick is year to year. Jaymo may not get a second contract here. WR is a need. 

paschal and levi will be spending considerable time at edge next year.

[Jason_R]

53 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

he made an enormously stupid decision.

And I bet his daddy wants to whoop him old school. 

[Sports_Freak]

4 hours ago, Jimbo said:

Listen, I don't like what he did.  Regardless who it is, I am never OK kicking someone when they are already down.

That being said, they are just prank calls.  He shouldn't be canceled like he got accused or rape or killed someone while drinking and driving.  Obviously prank calls are not as popular as they use to be.  I am just wondering if this was Howard Stern's staff or your local radio station if everyone would be so upset? 

Just a crank? So is swatting people, these types just can't take a joke. Messing with people's livelihoods...their hopes, dreams and aspirations is never "just a joke." It's inexcusable. 

[Hongbit]

These kids should be sent to CECOT