gehringer_2 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, chasfh said: That's the policy consideration at hand and that is indeed what makes it so interesting. We *know* that when people live in terrible, brutalized conditions, you end up with more violent people. If you raise living conditions, violence *will* go down. I think that raises two interesting questions: The first is the obvious one around holding people responsible for behavior we know - at least at a statistical level - is the result of outside social forces beyond 'personal responsibility' - again as I think we both see, society doesn't want to go there because the disruption to the regime of legal responsibility is too much at risk once you start down that path. And it would probably rapidly become too complex if attempted. But a more subtle question might be: Are people from the better standard of living environment actually "better", more altruistic people, or do they just have more 'civilized' ways of being bad to each other without physical violence? (e.g. the despicable office boss, embezzlement instead of robbery etc.). The question being whether the 'better' environment is only changing the instrumentalities that people are using to express the 'same' natures. Of course legally it makes a big difference because physically knifing your coworker on the ditch digging crew might get you life or even a noose, while knifing your coworker metaphorically to get his job in the executive suite might get you 7 figures ($) and a total pass from John Law. But how much different is the basic sentiment? To the question of what make people what they are - that certainly cuts to the very nature of existence and sentience and I'm skeptical we have that much better handle on that today than than the Greeks did. Practically/politically speaking, I don't think there is that much denial that better sociology/education creates a better society regardless of religious conviction or lack thereof. (the exception probably being addiction). To me, the argument over the utility of improving social conditions is simply the age-old political problem of moving resources/opportunities from the haves to the have-nots when the haves don't want to. Edited September 12 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 (edited) 24 minutes ago, chasfh said: just as untrue either way. And regardless of whether a person views Truth as a moral imperative or a practical political one, a democratic society cannot function when there is no reliable public truth to support successful public decision making. Edited September 12 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: I don't view Trump as evil. I view him as ... I just think he's an obnoxious mother-****ing asshole scumbag. The moment he opened his ****ing mouth and started spewing his deuchebag drivel. Which was a long, long, long, looooooong time ago. And he hasn't stopped since. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 So the number out there for the debate rating was 67M, but I'm reading that does NOT include streamers. If so 80M+ is quite possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 8 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: So the number out there for the debate rating was 67M, but I'm reading that does NOT include streamers. If so 80M+ is quite possible. Whats more...because of her performance being buzz-worthy ('she kicked his ass') a lot of people who didn't see it are finding it online after the event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrat Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 15 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: I just think he's an obnoxious mother-****ing asshole scumbag. The moment he opened his ****ing mouth and started spewing his deuchebag drivel. Which was a long, long, long, looooooong time ago. And he hasn't stopped since. These dumb ***holes actually think he did a good job at the debate. Literally a cult of brainwashed morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 This is really flooding the zone 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 3 hours ago, romad1 said: This is really flooding the zone and kicking the ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 22 hours ago, antrat said: These dumb ***holes actually think he did a good job at the debate. Literally a cult of brainwashed morons. That’s because he played all the hits they’ve been hearing on the radio and the TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.