Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Pretty sure Trump had placed the toughest possible sanctions on Venezuela. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Pretty sure Trump had placed the toughest possible sanctions on Venezuela. If the US wants to slow the flow of immigration from Central America, crushing the economy of CA nations is extremely counterproductive. Sanctions have become pretty much the international equivalent of virtue signaling. In as many cases as not they do more harm than good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 12 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Pretty sure Trump had placed the toughest possible sanctions on Venezuela. Consult your doctor if it lasts for more than 4 hours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 13 hours ago, mtutiger said: Here's the opening for Trump to run against Kamala as the far left socialist who paved the way for her comrade to steal the election in Venezuela, lecturing everyone about democracy while she herself ignored the democratic will of her party's own primary voters to steal the nomination from the sitting President. You watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 22 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: If the US wants to slow the flow of immigration from Central America, crushing the economy of CA nations is extremely counterproductive. Sanctions have become pretty much the international equivalent of virtue signaling. In as many cases as not they do more harm than good. So what options do we have outside of sanction to remove this disctorship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: So what options do we have outside of sanction to remove this disctorship? The marines, fund an insurgency, black ops assassination. Not real good are they? But that's the way the world really is. Most of the time there are no good options, but that's still a poor reason to resort to counter-productive action just to make yourself feel good. (And just to correct myself, Ven is of course SA and not CA but the distinction is immaterial here.) Edited July 29 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 10 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: The marines, fund an insurgency, black ops assassination. Not real good are they? But that's the way the world really is. Most of the time there are no good options, but that's still a poor reason to resort to counter-productive action just to make yourself feel good. (And just to correct myself, Ven is of course SA and not CA but the distinction is immaterial here.) My cousin was a marine who was killed in Beruit. That deff did not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 7 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: My cousin was a marine who was killed in Beruit. That deff did not work. that's terrible to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 11 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: that's terrible to hear. It was 40 plus years ago but thanks. Outside of sanctions what recourse do we have to remove Maduro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 59 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: It was 40 plus years ago but thanks. Outside of sanctions what recourse do we have to remove Maduro? Who knows? My other question would be whether we have the intelligence and foreign service capabilities to recognize, act, formulate policy, if some kind of option presents itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 We need Martin Landau and Barbara Baines. 😂. Where the hell did they go? Did they think the world order didn’t need them “fixing” ****? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, smr-nj said: We need Martin Landau and Barbara Baines. 😂. Where the hell did they go? Did they think the world order didn’t need them “fixing” ****? They retired long ago. Replaced by Tom Cruise. I'm not sure he's up to the task. Personally I was thinking about trying to lure Gabriel Allon out of retirement now that he's not part of Israeli Counter Intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: Who knows? My other question would be whether we have the intelligence and foreign service capabilities to recognize, act, formulate policy, if some kind of option presents itself. I wonder why Biden thought it was a good idea to remove sanctions when they did? And them reinstate them? All that did was give Maduro to seel enough oil help his regime hold on? Edited July 29 by Tigeraholic1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasTiger Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 4 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Pretty sure Trump had placed the toughest possible sanctions on Venezuela. Didn't you say you voted for Biden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Biden lifted some of the sanctions when folks started whining about gas prices in 2023. He reinstated them in April of this year when the dictator welched on his promises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 26 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Biden lifted some of the sanctions when folks started whining about gas prices in 2023. He reinstated them in April of this year when the dictator welched on his promises. Why did we feel we could ever trust him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 30 minutes ago, VegasTiger said: Didn't you say you voted for Biden? Yeah and? Ever been through a bad performance review at your job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 19 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Why did we feel we could ever trust him? Why do you feel you should trust Trump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 20 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Yeah and? Ever been through a bad performance review at your job? LOL no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 3 minutes ago, pfife said: LOL no LOL cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 7 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Why do you feel you should trust Trump So biden trusted Maduro because people whined about gas prices instead of going to an Ally to find more oil. That rolls back into if I trust Trump? Was he the oil broker or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Yes https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/business/energy-environment/opec-russia-saudi-arabia-oil-coronavirus.html Oil Nations, Prodded by Trump, Reach Deal to Slash Production Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 6 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: So biden trusted Maduro because people whined about gas prices instead of going to an Ally to find more oil. That rolls back into if I trust Trump? Was he the oil broker or something? That's above your pay grade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 20 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: That's above your pay grade It is amazing that we are at the end of Bidens 4 year term and everything is still Trumps fault. I really wish I could take a job, then after four years just turn around and say none of it was my fault I couldn't fix it. So blame tha last guy. We wonder why people not just MAGA feel like we were better off four years ago and are going to hold their nose and vote for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 49 minutes ago, pfife said: LOL no Very telling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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