Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Pretty sure Trump had placed the toughest possible sanctions on Venezuela. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 1:47 PM, Tigeraholic1 said: Pretty sure Trump had placed the toughest possible sanctions on Venezuela. Expand If the US wants to slow the flow of immigration from Central America, crushing the economy of CA nations is extremely counterproductive. Sanctions have become pretty much the international equivalent of virtue signaling. In as many cases as not they do more harm than good. Quote
pfife Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 1:47 PM, Tigeraholic1 said: Pretty sure Trump had placed the toughest possible sanctions on Venezuela. Expand Consult your doctor if it lasts for more than 4 hours Quote
chasfh Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 12:55 AM, mtutiger said: Expand Here's the opening for Trump to run against Kamala as the far left socialist who paved the way for her comrade to steal the election in Venezuela, lecturing everyone about democracy while she herself ignored the democratic will of her party's own primary voters to steal the nomination from the sitting President. You watch. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 1:51 PM, gehringer_2 said: If the US wants to slow the flow of immigration from Central America, crushing the economy of CA nations is extremely counterproductive. Sanctions have become pretty much the international equivalent of virtue signaling. In as many cases as not they do more harm than good. Expand So what options do we have outside of sanction to remove this disctorship? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 (edited) On 7/29/2024 at 2:19 PM, Tigeraholic1 said: So what options do we have outside of sanction to remove this disctorship? Expand The marines, fund an insurgency, black ops assassination. Not real good are they? But that's the way the world really is. Most of the time there are no good options, but that's still a poor reason to resort to counter-productive action just to make yourself feel good. (And just to correct myself, Ven is of course SA and not CA but the distinction is immaterial here.) Edited July 29, 2024 by gehringer_2 Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 2:33 PM, gehringer_2 said: The marines, fund an insurgency, black ops assassination. Not real good are they? But that's the way the world really is. Most of the time there are no good options, but that's still a poor reason to resort to counter-productive action just to make yourself feel good. (And just to correct myself, Ven is of course SA and not CA but the distinction is immaterial here.) Expand My cousin was a marine who was killed in Beruit. That deff did not work. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 2:44 PM, Tigeraholic1 said: My cousin was a marine who was killed in Beruit. That deff did not work. Expand that's terrible to hear. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 2:53 PM, gehringer_2 said: that's terrible to hear. Expand It was 40 plus years ago but thanks. Outside of sanctions what recourse do we have to remove Maduro? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 3:05 PM, Tigeraholic1 said: It was 40 plus years ago but thanks. Outside of sanctions what recourse do we have to remove Maduro? Expand Who knows? My other question would be whether we have the intelligence and foreign service capabilities to recognize, act, formulate policy, if some kind of option presents itself. Quote
smr-nj Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 We need Martin Landau and Barbara Baines. 😂. Where the hell did they go? Did they think the world order didn’t need them “fixing” ****? Quote
CMRivdogs Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 5:02 PM, smr-nj said: We need Martin Landau and Barbara Baines. 😂. Where the hell did they go? Did they think the world order didn’t need them “fixing” ****? Expand They retired long ago. Replaced by Tom Cruise. I'm not sure he's up to the task. Personally I was thinking about trying to lure Gabriel Allon out of retirement now that he's not part of Israeli Counter Intelligence. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 (edited) On 7/29/2024 at 4:33 PM, gehringer_2 said: Who knows? My other question would be whether we have the intelligence and foreign service capabilities to recognize, act, formulate policy, if some kind of option presents itself. Expand I wonder why Biden thought it was a good idea to remove sanctions when they did? And them reinstate them? All that did was give Maduro to seel enough oil help his regime hold on? Edited July 29, 2024 by Tigeraholic1 Quote
VegasTiger Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 1:47 PM, Tigeraholic1 said: Pretty sure Trump had placed the toughest possible sanctions on Venezuela. Expand Didn't you say you voted for Biden? Quote
CMRivdogs Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Biden lifted some of the sanctions when folks started whining about gas prices in 2023. He reinstated them in April of this year when the dictator welched on his promises. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 6:25 PM, CMRivdogs said: Biden lifted some of the sanctions when folks started whining about gas prices in 2023. He reinstated them in April of this year when the dictator welched on his promises. Expand Why did we feel we could ever trust him? Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 6:21 PM, VegasTiger said: Didn't you say you voted for Biden? Expand Yeah and? Ever been through a bad performance review at your job? Quote
CMRivdogs Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 6:52 PM, Tigeraholic1 said: Why did we feel we could ever trust him? Expand Why do you feel you should trust Trump Quote
pfife Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 6:52 PM, Tigeraholic1 said: Yeah and? Ever been through a bad performance review at your job? Expand LOL no Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 7:13 PM, pfife said: LOL no Expand LOL cool. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 7:12 PM, CMRivdogs said: Why do you feel you should trust Trump Expand So biden trusted Maduro because people whined about gas prices instead of going to an Ally to find more oil. That rolls back into if I trust Trump? Was he the oil broker or something? Quote
pfife Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Yes https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/business/energy-environment/opec-russia-saudi-arabia-oil-coronavirus.html Oil Nations, Prodded by Trump, Reach Deal to Slash Production Quote
CMRivdogs Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 7:24 PM, Tigeraholic1 said: So biden trusted Maduro because people whined about gas prices instead of going to an Ally to find more oil. That rolls back into if I trust Trump? Was he the oil broker or something? Expand That's above your pay grade Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 7:31 PM, CMRivdogs said: That's above your pay grade Expand It is amazing that we are at the end of Bidens 4 year term and everything is still Trumps fault. I really wish I could take a job, then after four years just turn around and say none of it was my fault I couldn't fix it. So blame tha last guy. We wonder why people not just MAGA feel like we were better off four years ago and are going to hold their nose and vote for him. Quote
chasfh Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On 7/29/2024 at 7:13 PM, pfife said: LOL no Expand Very telling 1 Quote
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