Would Toronto accept this offer for Guerrero and Bichette?

[casimir]

48 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Vlad Jr and Bichette for Baez and Maeda.  Take it or leave it.

I'd throw in Kreidler.  You gotta give to get.  A fair trade has a little bit of pain on both sides.

[Longgone]

2 hours ago, sergioalpert66 said:

Seems like if you guys were the Toronto general manager you would make the trade.  I like the idea of adding two right-handed bats to the lineup.  Meadows, Greene, Guerrero, Carpenter, Keith, Bichette, 3b Vierling, DH Perez/Malloy, Dingler/Rogers.  Farm still has Jobe, Rainer, Liranzo, Lee, Briceno, Hall, among others.  So the farm would still be in good shape, and the lineup in Detroit just got a lot better.  I'm not as sold as some of you that the players the Tigers give up are going to have a big impact as major leaguers, assuming they all make the bigs.

Stop it

[HeyAbbott]

1st rule when offering up a trade on this blog is-- put the bong down.

This run is starting to suggest that the Tigers may be very close to having a prolonged run.  A reasonable improvement at first and one more bullpen arm would be my take on improvements for this off-season. Clark and McGonigle are not tradeable as they are keys to the future. period.

Edited September 19, 2024 by HeyAbbott

[CaliforniaDreaming]

Wait...Bichette is now out with a broken finger. Now is an even better time to deal! 😜

[Hongbit]

47 minutes ago, HeyAbbott said:

1st rule when offering up a trade on this blog is-- put the bong down.

 

Hey now - That’s a terrible first rule

[monkeytargets39]

1 hour ago, casimir said:

I'd throw in Kreidler.  You gotta give to get.  A fair trade has a little bit of pain on both sides.

Ugh.  Fine.  Can’t believe we are trading away our entire 2023 left side of the infield for a guy with a broken finger though.

[chasfh]

38 minutes ago, CaliforniaDreaming said:

Wait...Bichette is now out with a broken finger. Now is an even better time to deal! 😜

I guess the OP hoped we would pull the trigger without looking

[sergioalpert66]

I wouldn't hesitate to make the trade, of course the trade assumes Guerrero and Bichette are signed for the long-term.  Some of you really overestimate the production the Tigers would receive from the players they'd be giving up.  Assuming Meadows hits, Max Clark is never gonna play center in Detroit.  And Max Clark is never gonna outhit Kerry Carpenter, assuming the Tigers think of moving Clark to right.  McGonigle is never gonna outhit Colt Keith.  Jung may eventually become a productive enough hitter, and he may not.  We know Jung will never be good enough defensively anywhere in the field.  Jaden Hamm was bad in college, was great in the first half of the season in A ball, not as great in the 2nd half.  In Guerrero and Bichette, the Tigers might be acquiring two future hall of famers in their prime.  What hall of famers is Toronto getting?  None.  

Edited September 19, 2024 by sergioalpert66

[sergioalpert66]

The Tigers need legit right-handed bats.  A lineup with Guerrero and Bichette would greatly improve our weak offense.

Edited September 19, 2024 by sergioalpert66

[TigerNation]

You don't give up that much value for players with one year of control, it's really that simple.

Vlad is absolutely someone Id love the Tigers to acquire, he's a perfect fit for exactly what the current young core needs. But I'm not giving up any top 50 prospect for one year of control.

[HeyAbbott]

In addition to everything else, Kerry Carpenter has had back problems. For outfielder, that can be the beginning of the end. Riley Greene has had a significant injury history already. I would be very reluctant to trade Clark for these reasons alone.

[buddha]

i wouldnt trade max clark straight up for either of those guys or both of them.

i would trade spencer torkelson.  but not a lot else.  but if i am trading tork, i'm probably trading him for someone else.

as has been mentioned, all those tigers' guys have years of control, the blue jays' players do not.  that removes a lot of value from them and removes a lot of leverage from the blue jays.  if you wanted those two, it wouldnt cost you that many players.  

[Sports_Freak]

49 minutes ago, TigerNation said:

You don't give up that much value for players with one year of control, it's really that simple.

Vlad is absolutely someone Id love the Tigers to acquire, he's a perfect fit for exactly what the current young core needs. But I'm not giving up any top 50 prospect for one year of control.

I'm sure we may have an A or AA middle infielder we may be willing to part with for him. But he's only a 1 year rental.

[Tigermojo]

How many top prospects were traded at the deadline? Teams are hoarding their young players for good reason.

[Sports_Freak]

4 hours ago, casimir said:

I'd throw in Kreidler.  You gotta give to get.  A fair trade has a little bit of pain on both sides.

And sweeten the pot and throw in Baddoo. Or...we could just wait until Vlad reaches free agency, sign him and Toronto gets nothing....

[TigerNation]

46 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

I'm sure we may have an A or AA middle infielder we may be willing to part with for him. But he's only a 1 year rental.

Yeah, I'd be fine giving up a backend top 10 type in A ball for him. If we're parting with Clark and McGonigle it would be to acquire a player like Skubal where we're gonna have them for 3 playoff runs.

Hopefully we just sign him in free agency. A 2-3-4 of Greene-Vlad Jr-Carpenter would be a lot of fun.

[Sports_Freak]

7 minutes ago, TigerNation said:

Yeah, I'd be fine giving up a backend top 10 type in A ball for him. If we're parting with Clark and McGonigle it would be to acquire a player like Skubal where we're gonna have them for 3 playoff runs.

Hopefully we just sign him in free agency. A 2-3-4 of Greene-Vlad Jr-Carpenter would be a lot of fun.

I don't see it happening, too much money. Hopefully, 6 games of 35k crowds in the last 6 games may convince Chris to spend some big bucks...

[casimir]

4 hours ago, sergioalpert66 said:

I wouldn't hesitate to make the trade, of course the trade assumes Guerrero and Bichette are signed for the long-term.  Some of you really overestimate the production the Tigers would receive from the players they'd be giving up.  Assuming Meadows hits, Max Clark is never gonna play center in Detroit.  And Max Clark is never gonna outhit Kerry Carpenter, assuming the Tigers think of moving Clark to right.  McGonigle is never gonna outhit Colt Keith.  Jung may eventually become a productive enough hitter, and he may not.  We know Jung will never be good enough defensively anywhere in the field.  Jaden Hamm was bad in college, was great in the first half of the season in A ball, not as great in the 2nd half.  In Guerrero and Bichette, the Tigers might be acquiring two future hall of famers in their prime.  What hall of famers is Toronto getting?  None.  

The key is the long term deal which, if I remember correctly is nonexistent.

Additionally, I wouldn’t want a long term deal with Guerrero.  I don’t think he’ll age well.

Edited September 20, 2024 by casimir

[IdahoBert]

I remember when we had trolls that were at least interesting. Who actually made an effort. 

[monkeytargets39]

After last nights blowout loss, I had some time to step back from the hype and reflect a bit on this trade proposal.    
 

and it’s still a hell no.

[chasfh]

On 9/19/2024 at 7:29 PM, casimir said:

The key is the long term deal which, if I remember correctly is nonexistent.

Additionally, I wouldn’t want a long term deal with Guerrero.  I don’t think he’ll age well.

[chasfh]

I could be talked into sending Torkelson and Mize and Manning, plus Avila all-stars such as Kreidler and Dingler and Faedo and Englert and Lange, to the Jays for Guerrero and Bichette.

 

Edited September 21, 2024 by chasfh

[Edman85]

30 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I could be talked into sending Torkelson and Mize and Manning, plus Avila all-stars such as Kreidler and Dingler and Faedo and Englert and Lange, to the Jays for Guerrero and Bichette.

 

Shades of the really weird Aaron Bummer trade. You would need to find a team bereft of 40 man roster talent.

[casimir]

50 minutes ago, chasfh said:

The torque on Prince Fielder's swings were ridiculous.  If not the main culprit, that had to have at least contributed significantly to his early retirement.

Now having typed what I've typed about Guerrero Jr's body not being in for the long haul, he'll probably morph into Schwarber Jr.

[Timmitch55]

I've watched McGonigle this year at Joker Marchant. He looks REALLY good. His OBP doubles guy. FAST. GRITTY GAMER  I really like him. No way I trade him.