9/22/24 1:35PM Tigers @ Orioles

[chasfh]

7 hours ago, tiger2022 said:

Starting Casey Mize is no different than starting Maeda, they will need to plate at least 7 or 8 runs to win.

That’s why we’re gonna start Mize against the White Sox, probably Friday.

[ewsieg]

5 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

 

Not sure why 6'5 makes this more impressive, 5'6 would make this more impressive.

[IdahoBert]

17 minutes ago, chasfh said:

People forget that about 2006, how fast a start we got off to and then how under. 500 we were in the second half. It really does prove what a blip in history 2006 was for us.

I remember how unexpected and gratifying it was and then came that last 1/3 of the season where we only won about 1/3 of the games and made the playoffs as wildcard. Then it was like Sherman‘s March to the Sea in the playoffs until we played the Cardinals, a team that was barely above .500. That season was like the work of a great author who ran out of paper in the end and stopped in mid sentence. 

[IdahoBert]

4 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Not sure why 6'5 makes this more impressive, 5'6 would make this more impressive.

Yes, I wondered about that too when I read that, but the extension of his large frame is pretty dramatic to witness. 

[chasfh]

7 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Yeah Skubal strikes me as a "bet on yourself" type guy, much like Max was. I don't think he's going to leave potential money on the table by signing an extension early but I could be wrong about that. 

I also don’t think this front office is going to push hard to lock up Skubal for a bunch of years anytime soon. He’s going to be 30 for his first free agent season in 2027, and his two-time-loser elbow is still a red flag when it comes to longevity. Paying mid-eight-figure annually for several of his age 30+ seasons, especially at the back end, would not seem to be a good investment. Are we already forgetting the albatross contract we shed just this season, or even the one we have for an aging collapsing player right now?

[chasfh]

7 hours ago, tiger2022 said:

Skubal isn't staying in Detroit.  He might be traded at the deadline next season depending on how the Tigers do.

If we end up even contemplating trading Skubal at next year’s deadline, then something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.

[IdahoBert]

25 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I also don’t think this front office is going to push hard to lock up Skubal for a bunch of years anytime soon. He’s going to be 30 for his first free agent season in 2027, and his two-time-loser elbow is still a red flag when it comes to longevity. Paying mid-eight-figure annually for several of his age 30+ seasons, especially at the back end, would not seem to be a good investment. Are we already forgetting the albatross contract we shed just this season, or even the one we have for an aging collapsing player right now?

Yes. I agree. I remember when the Reds traded Frank Robinson to the Orioles and their GM explained why saying “he’s an old 30.“ They were wrong and, of course, he had some of his greatest seasons with the Orioles. But pitchers are different. JV not withstanding, most guys aren’t going to be doing too well to justify a long contract of such gravity, especially when he’s already had problems

[chasfh]

I just want to enjoy the thing I am seeing on the field right now and not think about the thing that’s going to happen off the field until we’re out of it.

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Fun fact: in most northern cities, temperatures average higher on November 1 than on April 1, by some two to five degrees. There is also a substantially higher probability for rain on April 1 (28%) than on November 1 (22%), and the wind on April 1 is slightly higher and more from the north and east than on November 1, which is more from the south and west.

Even setting aside playoff vs regular season, you are more likely to feel comfortable at a ballgame on November 1 than on April 1.

 

Yup, season starts in March. 6 weeks too early. Greedy owners.

[oblong]

Every year I end up with 2-3 games PPD because of weather.  It pretty much sucks until mid May.

During the playoff years I could either be wearing shorts or hats/gloves.

 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, IdahoBert said:

Yes, I wondered about that too when I read that, but the extension of his large frame is pretty dramatic to witness. 

Random twit with only passing acquaintance with English semantics posts on social media. News at 11.

[monkeytargets39]

Real talk-  how do you go on a run like this after being so far back in the standings and then walk into 2025 with Javy Baez as the starting SS?  Or even as a platoon SS?

 

Its not a coincidence that the entire team has a better offensive approach with him on the DL.

[ben9753]

I'll be really disappointed if Baez ever plays another game for the Tigers.

[roarintiger1]

2 minutes ago, ben9753 said:

I'll be really disappointed if Baez ever plays another game for the Tigers.

Yes, please let him platoon with another team.

[gehringer_2]

Sweeney is playing like a 4.5 WAR player so far. While the odds of him actually being that player over a full season may be very small, if he put up even 2 WAR for the season in '25 (assuming the Tigers commit to playing him) the trade will be the steal of the decade for the Tigers before you even count Lirzano. You just don't get starting shortstops for deadline rentals. Still, it's a big IF.

Edited September 23, 2024 by gehringer_2

[Tigeraholic1]

We have Baez until 2027 (What a horrible contract). What does a buyout look like?

[gehringer_2]

5 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

We have Baez until 2027 (What a horrible contract). What does a buyout look like?

If you believe Spotrac:

$73 M left on the deal. No buyouts.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id/14056/javier-báez

[oblong]

7 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

We have Baez until 2027 (What a horrible contract). What does a buyout look like?

They contractually owe him the entire amount.  They could do some kind of deferral with interest or whatever but there's no getting around to paying him what the contract says.  They can cut him but would still have to pay.

[gehringer_2]

3 minutes ago, oblong said:

They contractually owe him the entire amount.  They could do some kind of deferral with interest or whatever but there's no getting around to paying him what the contract says.  They can cut him but would still have to pay.

yeah - not completely hopeless but close. There is a non-zero chance that he comes back from surgery and at least shows enough we might be able to move him if we pick up most (80%?) of his salary. Any money back would be bonus. That's assuming he even can come back, which the reporting about his surgery seems to imply is an open question - in which case they'll also just have to cut him his check(s). 

/..sigh../

[monkeytargets39]

29 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Sweeney is playing like a 4.5 WAR player so far. While the odds of him actually being that player over a full season may be very small, if he put up even 2 WAR for the season in '25 (assuming the Tigers commit to playing him) the trade will be the steal of the decade for the Tigers before you even count Lirzano. You just don't get starting shortstops for deadline rentals. Still, it's a big IF.

It’s a huge upgrade even if he’s just barely above replacement player level…..

[Tigermojo]

The surgery sounded very serious. I'm not sure if any professional athlete has had it before. I won't be surprised if he never plays again and the Tigers release him for the roster spot this offseason.

[Tigeraholic1]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

They contractually owe him the entire amount.  They could do some kind of deferral with interest or whatever but there's no getting around to paying him what the contract says.  They can cut him but would still have to pay.

Maybe a medical settement. Kinda like the Prince Fielder deal for Texas.

[oblong]

Maybe, depending on whether they got insurance and what kind.  

39 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Maybe a medical settement. Kinda like the Prince Fielder deal for Texas.

From what I could find online, he didn't technically retire.  He was not medically cleared to play.  During the off season he had to be on the 40 man, then when the season starts, transferred to the 60 day injury list.  The Tigers were responsible for $6M each year, the Rangers for $18M.  The Rangers got insurance that covered half of their end.

That would be a nice break for the Tigers.

 

[Shelton]

3 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Not sure why 6'5 makes this more impressive, 5'6 would make this more impressive.

 

3 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

Yes, I wondered about that too when I read that, but the extension of his large frame is pretty dramatic to witness. 

 

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Random twit with only passing acquaintance with English semantics posts on social media. News at 11.

That account is hardly just some random Twitter account. 

Anyway, seems like they are just pointing out how far over the fence it was going to be, seeing as he needed all of that 6-5 frame to reach it. We see way too many home run “robberies” that are wall scrapers (or possibly not even going out at all) and which almost any OF could catch. 

[gehringer_2]

1 minute ago, oblong said:

He was not medically cleared to play.

I wonder if works differently with a condition where you are actually at risk for doing serious additional damage if you try to play (Prince), versus just not being able to recover enough physical capacity to play successfully but you wouldn't be at any particular risk if you tried.