9/22/24 1:35PM Tigers @ Orioles

[gehringer_2]

5 minutes ago, casimir said:

I’m not the one making the assumption that a cap in sports helps smaller market teams.

It's not as much the cap as the nationalization of revenue share. Green Bay had a successful NFL franchise before the salary cap, it's even more stable now probably with the cap but it could never have an MLB team under the current MLB income system with or without a cap. The NHL has a pretty hard cap, small market teams still fail  or can't qualify to get a team to have a chance to fail in the NHL. 

Edited September 23, 2024 by gehringer_2

[casimir]

1 minute ago, Sports_Freak said:

Let me know how you feel when Skubal signs a 300 million, 10 year contract and Greene splits too. Losing players to free spending teams sucks. I guess we can just keep trading guys and play prospects.

It’s going to suck if they leave.  But salary caps will not lower costs for fans (again, you’re assumption earlier in this thread) nor does it completely level the playing field for smaller market teams.

But how about this.  How about just enjoy where the team is right here right now?

[RandyMarsh]

The disparity between team's local TV deals is a major killer. Some teams are making hundreds of millions of dollars more a year in revenue based solely off of that.  That's what allows teams like the Dodgers to spend 300+ million dollars a year on players and still make a profit, where as the teams like the Tigers would likely be in the red if they even came close to that figure. 

[gehringer_2]

14 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Let me know how you feel when Skubal signs a 300 million, 10 year contract and Greene splits too. Losing players to free spending teams sucks. I guess we can just keep trading guys and play prospects.

The cap doesn't help you keep players though - it means if you sign one player big you just have to let other players you'd rather keep, go. Hockey teams lose a lot of players because of cap constraints. Football teams as well, but FB is weird because there a team only has to keep their maybe  QB and and a  couple of other high profile players and the fans don't really care/notice  if the O line or other positions get brutally purged to stay under the cap.

[Sports_Freak]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

The cap doesn't help you keep players though - it means if you sign one player big you just have to let other players you'd rather keep, go. Hockey teams lose a lot of players because of cap constraints. Football teams as well, but FB is weird because there a team only has to keep their maybe  QB and and a  couple of other high profile players and the fans don't really care/notice  if the O line or other positions get brutally purged to stay under the cap.

True. And sometimes even big markets teams lose plsyers....Ohtani and the Angels. 

[Sports_Freak]

17 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

The disparity between team's local TV deals is a major killer. Some teams are making hundreds of millions of dollars more a year in revenue based solely off of that.  That's what allows teams like the Dodgers to spend 300+ million dollars a year on players and still make a profit, where as the teams like the Tigers would likely be in the red if they even came close to that figure. 

Do like football and share everything? A lot of people don't realize they share everything. I don't know what the answer is, just that signing 1 or 2 players in a small market can handcuff a team for years. I'm amazed some teams haven't folded. Switch to 3 team divisions with top 2 teams making the playoffs...lol

[Shinzaki]

[SoCalTiger]

What a wonderful season !!!

[Sports_Freak]

7 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

What a wonderful season !!!

Yeah, amazing. I don't think many saw this last 6 weeks or so coming. These kids...can't say enough about them. Just...amazing.

[lordstanley]

Just now, Sports_Freak said:

Yeah, amazing. I don't think many saw this last 6 weeks or so coming. These kids...can't say enough about them. Just...amazing.

The past 6 weeks of this season may be as surprising as the first 4 months of the 2006 season. 

[Jim Cowan]

This is a lot of fun.

[buddha]

hinch has to be manager of the year.

[Sports_Freak]

18 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

The past 6 weeks of this season may be as surprising as the first 4 months of the 2006 season. 

True. Even though, in 2006, many people were pretty excited about some of the young talent coming out of ST. Zumaya, Verlander and Granderson all showed the promise of a fun summer. And I still remember the Leyland for President signs...lol

[Sports_Freak]

10 minutes ago, buddha said:

hinch has to be manager of the year.

I don't know. Sportswiters vote for it? If so, many have memories of the cheating scandal. It would be an injustice if he doesn't win it though, IMO.

[Tiger337]

Sarah Langs with some numbers on the Tigers history comeback:

 

[buddha]

6 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Sarah Langs with some numbers on the Tigers history comeback:

 

if the tigers were playing in those years they wouldnt be making the playoffs either.

thank god for the wild card(s)!  thanks rob manfred and bud selig for making baseball interesting in september.  😉

[buddha]

14 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

I don't know. Sportswiters vote for it? If so, many have memories of the cheating scandal. It would be an injustice if he doesn't win it though, IMO.

he's managed bullpen by committee starts for months and done so brilliantly.  

he should be manager of the year.  whether they will give it to him is another matter.

[ewsieg]

15 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

True. Even though, in 2006, many people were pretty excited about some of the young talent coming out of ST. Zumaya, Verlander and Granderson all showed the promise of a fun summer. And I still remember the Leyland for President signs...lol

I feel the start of this season was very similar to 2006.  Unlike 2006, once the season started, this has been completely opposite of 2006.....until these last few weeks.

Just unbelievable.  If I told you Baez would be as worse as you thought was possible, that not only Meadows and Keith were sent down, ALSO Tork!  Maeda didn't work out, but Flaherty did, so you traded him.... I would have thought we'd be in the White Sox position this year.

[Tiger337]

4 minutes ago, buddha said:

if the tigers were playing in those years they wouldnt be making the playoffs either.

thank god for the wild card(s)!  thanks rob manfred and bud selig for making baseball interesting in september.  😉

They are only the second team which has made such a comeback in the wildcard era.  

[Tiger337]

4 minutes ago, buddha said:

he's managed bullpen by committee starts for months and done so brilliantly.  

he should be manager of the year.  whether they will give it to him is another matter.

He should be, but I bet a lot of writers have already mailed in their votes for Quatraro

[IdahoBert]

13 minutes ago, buddha said:

if the tigers were playing in those years they wouldnt be making the playoffs either.

thank god for the wild card(s)!  thanks rob manfred and bud selig for making baseball interesting in september.  😉

That’s what I was thinking. The Yankees have won 92 games so the Tigers are 10 games behind with six games left to play. It’s still a mighty accomplishment, but it’s pretty much exclusively in light of wild card possibilities. Same issue with Cleveland. 

[lordstanley]

We may as well cheer for a Yankees sweep of Baltimore in NY this week. You never know. 
 

 

[Sports_Freak]

11 minutes ago, buddha said:

he's managed bullpen by committee starts for months and done so brilliantly.  

he should be manager of the year.  whether they will give it to him is another matter.

I agree. It's just, if it is sportswriters who vote, they can be fickle idiots. Look at Lou Whitaker. He should have been in at the same time as Tram.

[lordstanley]

14 minutes ago, buddha said:

if the tigers were playing in those years they wouldnt be making the playoffs either.

thank god for the wild card(s)!  thanks rob manfred and bud selig for making baseball interesting in september.  😉

The point is that they’ve made up 10 games. The other ones who have done so probably had much better records at the start of their comebacks than the Tigers did. 

[Tiger337]

1 minute ago, lordstanley said:

The point is that they’ve made up 10 games. The other ones who have done so probably had much better records at the start of their comebacks than the Tigers did. 

I think he was taking a shot at me for complaining about expanded playoffs in the past.

I still don't like expanded playoffs in general.  Making the playoffs because they have wildcards is not what makes this exciting for me.  It's the comeback itself that excites me.  If they don't make the playoffs or they get bounced in the first round, I will still consider this a remarkable run.