MichiganCardinal Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 vs. Setting: 09/30/2024 8:15pm EST on ABC Site: Ford Field in Detroit, MI Weather: Climate Controlled Opening Spread: Lions -4.5 All-Time Series Record: Seahawks lead, 13-5 Last Meeting: 09/17/2023, Seahawks won 37-31 in OT Seattle Seahawks (3-0) Head Coach: Mike Macdonald (1st Season: 3-0) Projected Starting QB: Geno Smith (12th Season: 33-36) Last Week: 24-3 W vs. Miami Dolphins Looking Ahead to Week #5: Sunday vs. New York Giants (1-2) Your Detroit Lions (2-1) Head Coach: Dan Campbell (4th Season: 26-27-1) Projected Starting QB: Jared Goff (9th Season: 68-51-1) Last Week: 20-13 W @ Arizona Cardinals (1-2) Looking Ahead to Week #5: BYE Elsewhere in the NFL Primetime: Cowboys @ Giants (TNF), Bills @ Ravens (SNF), Titans @ Dolphins (7:30pm MNF) 1:00pm: Saints @ Falcons, Vikings @ Packers, Bengals @ Panthers, Rams @ Bears, Jaguars @ Texans, Steelers @ Colts, Broncos @ Jets, Eagles @ Buccaneers 4:05/4:25pm: Commanders @ Cardinals, Patriots @ 49ers, Chiefs @ Chargers, Browns @ Raiders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted September 23 Author Share Posted September 23 Conversation starters: 1. Debut of the all black uniforms! 2. Why are we sharing Monday Night Football with Will Levis and Skylar Thompson?!? 3. Can we please - for the love of God - beat this stupid freakin' team that we play every freakin' year??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 injuries are becoming an issue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted September 24 Author Share Posted September 24 8 hours ago, buddha said: injuries are becoming an issue... Yes, but I don’t accept it as an excuse in year four. Next man up. We lost CJGJ and Houston for the season last year in week two and didn’t let it stop it from accomplishing our goals. Davenport was expected. No one was holding their breath that he was about to get through an entire season. Barnes hurts, but he’s an off-ball linebacker. I think they’ll slide Jack Campbell to Will and put Rodrigo at Sam. They’ve still got JRM behind them, and a host of depth that primarily plays special teams. Ragnow will hurt if he’s out for an extended period of time. We will see if they place him on IR, or if he’s actually week to week. It’s incredible that he posted the highest PFF score on the team while playing through that, and I wouldn’t put it past him to be back after the bye. Everyone else it sounds like is day to day. I expect a gruesome injury report tomorrow, but they can still beat this Seahawks team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted September 24 Author Share Posted September 24 I’m also hoping we get Iffy back this week. If we don’t it means the injury has lingered longer than expected when they set the roster, because he could have been placed on IR if he was always going to miss at least four games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedRamage Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said: Yes, but I don’t accept it as an excuse in year four. Next man up. We lost CJGJ and Houston for the season last year in week two and didn’t let it stop it from accomplishing our goals. Don't forget Mosely. Very easy to forget him given that he's played what... one snap for us?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said: I’m also hoping we get Iffy back this week. If we don’t it means the injury has lingered longer than expected when they set the roster, because he could have been placed on IR if he was always going to miss at least four games. Isn't there a limited number of players who can come back off the IR? Let me rephrase that: I know there's a limited number of players who can be put on the IR with an option to come back. What I don't know is if players put on the IR before the season starts count towards that limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 12 hours ago, buddha said: injuries are becoming an issue... The only injury that really concerns me is Ragnow. I know he can play through a lot of pain but a torn pec is a tough one to play with. All the other injuries are next man up situations but I don't know how they can replace Frank if he's out long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 22 minutes ago, NYLion said: The only injury that really concerns me is Ragnow. I know he can play through a lot of pain but a torn pec is a tough one to play with. All the other injuries are next man up situations but I don't know how they can replace Frank if he's out long term. Branch kinda bothers me. A concussion? If so, they can ruin a guy's career. Hopefully, Branch and AA will be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 Dan Campbell was on the morning show with Costa and Jansen on 97.1. He was asked directly about who might replace Marcus Davenport and he was specifically asked about James Houston. Campbell only mentioned Houston in passing when saying whether or not Houston could be a replacement for Davenport. He talked more about Josh Paschal taking on a bigger role. I just don't get it with Houston. He looked so promising his rookie year and then it's like they lost complete faith in this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 If the Ragnow torn pec is already completely off the bone then the options are either season ending surgery or he toughs it out and plays through it all season before getting surgery in the offseason. The fact is it's not going to get any better without surgery and surgery will almost certainly be a season ender but on the other hand if it's completely torn you really arent risking it getting any worse so if he is able to tough it out and still be effective he could continue to play. I question though how long you can be effective playing center in the NFL with a torn pec though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 57 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Dan Campbell was on the morning show with Costa and Jansen on 97.1. He was asked directly about who might replace Marcus Davenport and he was specifically asked about James Houston. Campbell only mentioned Houston in passing when saying whether or not Houston could be a replacement for Davenport. He talked more about Josh Paschal taking on a bigger role. I just don't get it with Houston. He looked so promising his rookie year and then it's like they lost complete faith in this guy. houston might be a third down pass rusher. maybe. he was sort of a one trick pony two years ago. he doesnt set the edge. he isnt very big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 But he was really good at that trick. I’m fine with Paschal being the replacement and using Houston as a pass rushing specialist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnoxP Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 29 minutes ago, buddha said: houston might be a third down pass rusher. maybe. he was sort of a one trick pony two years ago. he doesnt set the edge. he isnt very big. This is my perception as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnoxP Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 21 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: But he was really good at that trick. I’m fine with Paschal being the replacement and using Houston as a pass rushing specialist. That may happen some now. It's pretty obvious they think Houston can only do one thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I just don't get it with Houston. He looked so promising his rookie year and then it's like they lost complete faith in this guy. My guess is that it's more than "just lost faith." There's gotta be something they are seeing that's not doing right. No idea if it's attitude or dedication or that he's just a one-trick pony and hasn't been able to adapt. I do recall, after Houston's rookie season, some talking head asking about Houston from one of the beat writers years ago... something along the lines of: "Do the Lions feel about Houston the same way fans do?" And the beat writer replied: "No. The Lions aren't nearly as high on Houston as fans are." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted September 24 Author Share Posted September 24 4 hours ago, RedRamage said: Isn't there a limited number of players who can come back off the IR? Let me rephrase that: I know there's a limited number of players who can be put on the IR with an option to come back. What I don't know is if players put on the IR before the season starts count towards that limit. Eight. It becomes 10 if you make the postseason. The Lions have used three I believe: Emmanuel Moseley and Brodric Martin were on IR/DTR to start the season, then John Cominsky was put on it shortly after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted September 24 Author Share Posted September 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, buddha said: houston might be a third down pass rusher. maybe. he was sort of a one trick pony two years ago. he doesnt set the edge. he isnt very big. This is exactly their problem with him. It’s using a roster spot on a guy who they don’t trust on running plays and who is below replacement on special teams. So he’s only useful on 100% passing downs (i.e., 3/long and 4/medium, depending on the opponent). That is only about 1-5 snaps a game. He saw three snaps against Tampa for instance, the lowest snap count of anybody on the entire team when you include special teams contributions. If you have the roster spot to spare, sure, it doesn’t hurt, particularly if he’s as effective on those 1-5 snaps as he was last season. Which is why we might see him active against Seattle with spots opening up for Barnes and Davenport. Edited September 24 by MichiganCardinal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, KnoxP said: That may happen some now. It's pretty obvious they think Houston can only do one thing. If that one thing is get the QB to the ground or disrupt the play by forcing him out of the pocket then that's a pretty important skill to have. They put out plenty of one trick pony run defenders out there who couldn't get after a QB. Somehow with this skill though, they don't seem to emphasize it. They seem to value containment and run defense more than just straight up getting after or pressuring the QB. Edited September 24 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 4 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: This is exactly their problem with him. It’s using a roster spot on a guy who they don’t trust on running plays and who is below replacement on special teams. So he’s only useful on 100% passing downs (i.e., 3/long and 4/medium, depending on the opponent). That is only about 1-5 snaps a game. He saw three snaps against Tampa for instance, the lowest snap count of anybody on the entire team when you include special teams contributions. If you have the roster spot to spare, sure, it doesn’t hurt, particularly if he’s as effective on those 1-5 snaps as he was last season. Which is why we might see him active against Seattle with spots opening up for Barnes and Davenport. Marcus Davenport is a one trick pony at getting injured and they keep him on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Marcus Davenport is a one trick pony at getting injured and they keep him on the roster. davenport is a much more complete player than houston, come on. he's just hurt all the time. and probably wasnt a great risk when they signed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 32 minutes ago, buddha said: davenport is a much more complete player than houston, come on. he's just hurt all the time. and probably wasnt a great risk when they signed him. My comment was a joke, but there is truth to it. Availability is a skill and unfortunately it is one Davenport hasn't displayed consistently throughout his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: My comment was a joke, but there is truth to it. Availability is a skill and unfortunately it is one Davenport hasn't displayed consistently throughout his career. true, but if you remember, houston was injured all of last season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted September 25 Author Share Posted September 25 5 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Marcus Davenport is a one trick pony at getting injured and they keep him on the roster. 3 hours ago, buddha said: davenport is a much more complete player than houston, come on. he's just hurt all the time. and probably wasnt a great risk when they signed him. You're both right. Holmes hits far more than he whiffs and I'm not about to complain about the overall job that he's done, but damn would it be nice to have some consistent production at the edge across from Hutch. Maybe it's all chess and he's trying to drive down the price of Hutch's extension. "Well, Mr. Agent, I would pay him $175 million over five years, but I read a certain message board and was told that pressures are not as effective as sacks!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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