Longgone Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 9 hours ago, chasfh said: A 7 K/9 is well below average in the major leagues, and opponents hit .228 off him this season because his BABIP was .261. These are not good signs for a leverage guy. What’s Vest? What’s Holton? Foley is certainly not perfect or the ideal, but he’s been solid and not deserving of all the angst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 10 minutes ago, Longgone said: What’s Vest?... right now apparently Vest and Brieske are better choices in Hinch's view. 9th inning guys don't so much win jobs as move into them as managers lose confidence in the guy they've been using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 I don't know if he needs to make swing changes to do it or just pitch selection change, but Torks's biggest issue in my reading was that he was only doing damage on cookies - his hot zone just a tiny middle middle spec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 Exhibits A and B as to why they haven't implemented an automated strike zone at the MLB level. Exhibit C would be the report card they give to De Jesus, which is going to be neither of these. Which one is right all just depends on your margin of error and what you're okay with being called and not. These systems are imperfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 25 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: right now apparently Vest and Brieske are better choices in Hinch's view. 9th inning guys don't so much win jobs as move into them as managers lose confidence in the guy they've been using. Vest has been practically unhittable the last month. Foley’s meltdown in Game 1 vs. Astros certainly helped but Vest was going to wrestle the high leverage spot away from him regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 10 hours ago, chasfh said: I shook hands with a couple Cleveland fans after the game. Everyone agreed it was an outstanding game. Did you wash your hands afterwards? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeytargets39 Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 39 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Did you wash your hands afterwards? I recommend Fast Orange or Lava bar soap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger2022 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: Carp could probably learn 1st base but we would still need a RH bat to play there against LH pitchers. Unless we want to see Carpenter prove once and for all whether he can hit LH pitchers... Not sure why managers do that to young players...they immediately platoon guys so they never get a chance to hit against, in this case, lefties. It's almost like there is a rule and they have to do it or they just want to show everyone how smart they are. I doubt if Carpenter can hit any worse against lefties than Torkelson hits overall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 3 hours ago, Longgone said: What’s Vest? What’s Holton? Foley is certainly not perfect or the ideal, but he’s been solid and not deserving of all the angst. Yes, his results have been mostly very good. Hope he can continue it into the future as long as he's with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwball Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 30 minutes ago, tiger2022 said: Not sure why managers do that to young players...they immediately platoon guys so they never get a chance to hit against, in this case, lefties. It's almost like there is a rule and they have to do it or they just want to show everyone how smart they are. I doubt if Carpenter can hit any worse against lefties than Torkelson hits overall That has been a thing in baseball since forever it seems, and I'm old. At the same time, there is a difference between a R/R matchup vs. a L/L, in my opinion. Curves are different for one thing. Hard to explain. A right handed curve to a right handed batter is easier to hit than a left handed curve to a lefty. Might sound nuts, symmetry and all. Related, and strange, bowling is the very same way. Southpaws had a natural hook that hit like a truck. Crazy, I know. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 44 minutes ago, tiger2022 said: I doubt if Carpenter can hit any worse against lefties than Torkelson hits overall so far he definitely does. The dilemma for a manager is winning now versus developing his players. If a manager has a reasonable platoon pair for a player there just isn't much incentive for him to embark on a 'learn on the fly' program with his player at the MLB level. If a left hand hitter comes up who has already shown a reasonably small platoon split like Riley or Keith, they may get the chance to stick as everyday players, but otherwise they are probably out of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 On 10/7/2024 at 7:38 PM, Sports_Freak said: Drone show on the day off; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: I hope the crowd booed the Meijer design. And this is coming from a Marketing guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 8 minutes ago, Screwball said: That has been a thing in baseball since forever it seems, and I'm old. At the same time, there is a difference between a R/R matchup vs. a L/L, in my opinion. Curves are different for one thing. Hard to explain. A right handed curve to a right handed batter is easier to hit than a left handed curve to a lefty. Might sound nuts, symmetry and all. Related, and strange, bowling is the very same way. Southpaws had a natural hook that hit like a truck. Crazy, I know. 🙂 I think a lot of it is just how much experience is available. Riley's father pitched to him left handed constantly as he was learning to play. For most lefties, they just aren't going to see enough LHP to hone their skill on the ball breaking away as much as right handers will get the chance to see RHP throw them breaking balls away. OTOH, right handers don't suffer all that much from not seeing a lot of left handers because most left handers can't throw them anything that breaks away from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 1 minute ago, Tenacious D said: I hope the crowd booed the Meijer design. And this is coming from a Marketing guy. They musta sponsored it. Whenever there's an ad, I ignore it. Prolly not what a marketing guy wants to hear...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I think a lot of it is just how much experience is available. Riley's father pitched to him left handed constantly as he was learning to play. For most lefties, they just aren't going to see enough LHP to hone their skill on the ball breaking away as much as right handers will get the chance to see RHP throw them breaking balls away. OTOH, right handers don't suffer all that much from not seeing a lot of left handers because most left handers can't throw them anything that breaks away from them. I don’t know Kerry's splits but some of the articles I've read said he was crushing LH pitchers in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: I don’t know Kerry's splits but some of the articles I've read said he was crushing LH pitchers in the minors. but if that was before the big changes he made in approach it may not be transferable. A hitter has some choice in how much he is willing to tailor his approach. A left hander may be able to give up coverage against RHP to hit LHP better, but is that necessarily his best strategy? If he believes (or knows) he's likely to be platooned anyway, then he should probably sell-out on a approach to hit RHP and if his splits get worse, so be it. to answer the initial question, last year Kerrys platoon split was about 180 OPS pits. This year it is off the charts (>400 OPS points) but it's on a tiny sample size (30PA) because Hinch hasn't let him face LHP. So egg, meet chicken. Edited October 9 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 11 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: I don’t know Kerry's splits but some of the articles I've read said he was crushing LH pitchers in the minors. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=carpeke01&t=b&year=2024&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#plato The splits are significant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 1 hour ago, tiger2022 said: Not sure why managers do that to young players...they immediately platoon guys so they never get a chance to hit against, in this case, lefties. It's almost like there is a rule and they have to do it or they just want to show everyone how smart they are. I doubt if Carpenter can hit any worse against lefties than Torkelson hits overall Lefties that can't hit lefties don't usually learn how to hit them. I think it's a harder thing to fix than many fans believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Lefties that can't hit lefties don't usually learn how to hit them. I think it's a harder thing to fix than many fans believe. I think it's hard to learn to handle a breaking ball away period whether you are LH or RH. But maybe a difference is that RHHs who can't manage the breaking ball away are never going to get to (or stay long in) the majors at all, whereas a LHH who can't hit good LHP can still be plenty useful on a major league roster. The other thing that is funny about platoon splits is that the two best LHP in baseball this year both have pretty small platoon splits against. Skubal is only 85 OPS pts, Sale is less than that - about 50. But neither of them depend that much on horizontal break. Skubal is mostly fastball change, Sale throws a lot of 'sliders' but his slider is more like a 12-6 curve ball - slow and mostly vertical. Edited October 9 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 36 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=carpeke01&t=b&year=2024&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#plato The splits are significant But he only had 28 at bats against a LH pitcher? That is such a small sample... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwball Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 9 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Lefties that can't hit lefties don't usually learn how to hit them. I think it's a harder thing to fix than many fans believe. This is my point. If anyone who has played was a switch hitter they would know that batting left against a left is not the same as a right against a right. Due to symmetry one would think it is, but it's not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, Screwball said: This is my point. If anyone who has played was a switch hitter they would know that batting left against a left is not the same as a right against a right. Due to symmetry one would think it is, but it's not. So one of the factors in play is that eye dominance and handedness do not match one to one. Fewer lefties are left eye dominant than righties are right eye dominant, so indeed your lefties and righties don't necessarily see pitches the same way. On top of that many - maybe most MLB LHH are not left side dominant, they are right handers who learned to hit left handed, so within the group of LH hitters you have two different sub classes. There has also always been conventional wisdom that LH hitters and RH hitters hit better on pitches in different areas of the K zone. With heat maps available today it seems that could be verified or debunked either way if anyone cared to. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15513112/#:~:text=Abstract,handers being left eye dominant. Edited October 9 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 It was a big moment and Hamilton treated it as such. Instead of sounding like his dog had died, as announcers of some announcers would have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 On 10/8/2024 at 9:00 PM, gehringer_2 said: For most lefties, they just aren't going to see enough LHP to hone their skill on the ball breaking away as much as right handers will get the chance to see RHP throw them breaking balls away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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