chasfh Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 On 10/8/2024 at 7:41 AM, oblong said: It's been well over 10 years since Comerica Park will have a game like this in terms of excitement and anticipation. The playoff game in 2014 was a complete dud. The team was down 0-2 already and there were a lot of empty seats. The Lions were playing across the street and I'd say 1/3 of the fans were engaged in that. It was as exciting as an April 15 game on Wednesday afternoon during 45 degree snow flurries. I was there. There was no energy. It suuuuucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 Don’t rule changes have to be approved by owners? Pitching chaos seems like something cheap owners would love and rich owners would be indifferent about. In order to do what the Tigers did today, you have to have six pitchers who can shut out a team. And some will probably be called upon again tomorrow. Matchups or not, that’s not some easy feat that just any team’s farm system can just snap their fingers and accomplish. Most teams can’t do that, and I tend to agree that it’s unlikely to be sustainable long term. And if you’re the Yankees, you can always just throw hundreds of millions for whatever version of chaos you want, and still lose to the Royals in the ALDS. I agree that it’s something that the MLBPA would quietly advocate for changing, for the same reasons Boras is cursing AJ Hinch. I don’t really see why Manfred and the owners would rush to “fix” it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 12 minutes ago, 1776 said: Vierling has made his mark in Detroit for sure. If I had to choose a favorite Tiger player this season he’d be the guy. He’s the same player every day. Leads by example and does whatever is asked of him. Yes, he's a quality player. He's actually the best player at whichever position he's put at. I mean, he's our best defensive rightfielder and our best defensive 3rd baseman. But my favorite position player is Parker Meadows. The kid is a difference maker. And his defense is so good, Hinch even plays him against LH pitching. Meadows is going to be a huge star in this league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holygoat Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 I had to work really late today, but was able to listen on my phone. Not gonna lie, I second-guessed pulling Montero after such an easy 1-2-3 first inning, but that's why Hinch is the manager and I'm not. Among a thousand other reasons, lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 10 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: Don’t rule changes have to be approved by owners? Pitching chaos seems like something cheap owners would love and rich owners would be indifferent about. In order to do what the Tigers did today, you have to have six pitchers who can shut out a team. And some will probably be called upon again tomorrow. Matchups or not, that’s not some easy feat that just any team’s farm system can just snap their fingers and accomplish. Most teams can’t do that, and I tend to agree that it’s unlikely to be sustainable long term. And if you’re the Yankees, you can always just throw hundreds of millions for whatever version of chaos you want, and still lose to the Royals in the ALDS. I agree that it’s something that the MLBPA would quietly advocate for changing, for the same reasons Boras is cursing AJ Hinch. I don’t really see why Manfred and the owners would rush to “fix” it though. What Hinch is doing is totally against what old timers did. Using 6 pitchers in a shut out? Unheard of, until recently. Several of these Tiger BP arms are former starting pitchers. So they can give you multiple innings. The old thought was if you empty out your BP, eventually one of the pitchers will give it up, get hit around. So I think the Tigers pitching is unique, former starters and a great pitching coach. No, it won't work for an entire season. Or...will it? 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 6 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: A little puzzled that he's pulled after 6 pitches but he is available tomorrow now ! A.J. is playing the matchup game, not the pitch count game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 5 hours ago, ICroupier said: Repeat post: "Tork sucks!" I would have McStinky in every game over Tork. The decision is never Stinky McStinkface versus Tork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 4 minutes ago, holygoat said: I had to work really late today, but was able to listen on my phone. Not gonna lie, I second-guessed pulling Montero after such an easy 1-2-3 first inning, but that's why Hinch is the manager and I'm not. Among a thousand other reasons, lol. Yeah, I didn't like him getting pulled so quickly. And I didn't like seeing Carpenter getting PH for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 8 minutes ago, holygoat said: I had to work really late today, but was able to listen on my phone. Not gonna lie, I second-guessed pulling Montero after such an easy 1-2-3 first inning, but that's why Hinch is the manager and I'm not. Among a thousand other reasons, lol. I voted for you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 5 hours ago, Dan Gilmore said: Crap, my stream went out. Current status updates greatly appreciated. TIA This is why I may never dump the dish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 1 minute ago, Sports_Freak said: What Hinch is doing is totally against what old timers did. Using 6 pitchers in a shut out? Unheard of, until recently. Several of these Tiger BP arms are former starting pitchers. So they can give you multiple innings. The old thought was if you empty out your BP, eventually one of the pitchers will give it up, get hit around. So I think the Tigers pitching is unique, former starters and a great pitching coach. No, it won't work for an entire season. Or...will it? 😆 It's the anti-Jeremy Bonderman. I remember Bonderman would always give up 1-3 runs in the first inning or two, then settle down into shutdown stuff and finish with a great line like 7.0 IP, 3 ER, 5 H, 6 Ks, 2 BBs. He wouldn't work well in the pitching chaos model. Speaking of Bonderman, I hear he's going to work on his changeup this offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 5 hours ago, Crazy Cat Gentleman said: Cleveland fans agree. their whole gameday thread is like a bunch of Dtrain72s. Hey, by the way, how's Dtrain72 doing these days? Haven't seen him round here since, what, mid-August? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 4 hours ago, lordstanley said: Yep. 31-13 to end the regular season. 4-1 to start the season. Possible to win the Series going 9-7 the rest of the way. That's 35-14. It's not 35-5, but damn it, I'll take it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdahoBert Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 26 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: It's the anti-Jeremy Bonderman. I remember Bonderman would always give up 1-3 runs in the first inning or two, then settle down into shutdown stuff and finish with a great line like 7.0 IP, 3 ER, 5 H, 6 Ks, 2 BBs. He wouldn't work well in the pitching chaos model. Speaking of Bonderman, I hear he's going to work on his changeup this offseason. I remember spending time at scenic Wallowa Lake in Oregon with the family just short of 20 years ago, back when I wore a Tigers cap all the time, and someone from the Tri-Cities WA area noticed that and they almost hugged me telling me how much they loved their hometown boy Jeremy Bonderman. They were ecstatic. They couldn’t stop talking about him because apparently a lot of people knew him and he was the only celebrity they knew. It was a real Kumbaya “We are the World” moment. Possessing a halfway decent filter about these things I never asked them “What do you think about his first innings?“ Although I wanted to, but I wanted to engage in the lovefest more. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 56 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: Don’t rule changes have to be approved by owners? True, but if the competition committee brings them something with a lot of old-timey Tony LaRussa like sage of the game we know the game better recitation, how likely are they to shoot it down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, MichiganCardinal said: Don’t rule changes have to be approved by owners? Pitching chaos seems like something cheap owners would love and rich owners would be indifferent about. In order to do what the Tigers did today, you have to have six pitchers who can shut out a team. And some will probably be called upon again tomorrow. Matchups or not, that’s not some easy feat that just any team’s farm system can just snap their fingers and accomplish. Most teams can’t do that, and I tend to agree that it’s unlikely to be sustainable long term. And if you’re the Yankees, you can always just throw hundreds of millions for whatever version of chaos you want, and still lose to the Royals in the ALDS. I agree that it’s something that the MLBPA would quietly advocate for changing, for the same reasons Boras is cursing AJ Hinch. I don’t really see why Manfred and the owners would rush to “fix” it though. I don't think pitching chaos will become that big of a thing. There are too many things that can go wrong when you are depending on bullpen games day after day - injuries, pitchers getting tired, etc. I doubt the Tigers or anyone else will try this for a full season next year. What I could see is teams going with 3 or 4 regular starters followed by a bullpen game or two. I don't think we will see what the Tigers did this year repeated again, but that's what makes it so special. Edited October 10 by Tiger337 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 3 hours ago, romad1 said: I want to face NY just because it validates us on the big stage (like whipping the Astros didn't already do that). The whole MLB would hate it if two regional teams were in the ALCS narrative bores me. Nobody watches the MLB playoffs except the people in those two towns or their diaspora of fans. I'm with you. I want to beat "the best". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 2 hours ago, oblong said: If the Tigers were to advance and happened to beat NYY with the pitch chaos theory, MLB will change the rules immediately. I don’t think Vogt is the type to complain about it but you just know it’s burning up some people in the league. I could see MLB mandating that teams submit their starters and batting orders by X time, without knowing what the other team is doing, and then they publish the info at Y time a bit later in time for prop betting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 2 minutes ago, chasfh said: I'm with you. I want to beat "the best". It'definitely more fun that way. That's what the post-season is all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 2 hours ago, HeyAbbott said: The biggest person it is burning up is Boras. The agent meister will put a stop to this for '25. this I can believe. The one thing the Tigers have working is none of these guys are are near FA yet and most are not even into their later arb years so no-one is leaving any real money on the table for not being a starter or closer....yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 1 minute ago, Tiger337 said: It'definitely more fun that way. That's what the post-season is all about. Plus we beat them in the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said: Did you see how hyped up he was when he caught that line drive? Some people think players are only in it for the money, this guy would run thru a wall to win. A++ move by Harris. I'm of the opinion they would all run through a wall to win. That's how ubercompetitors are wired, and you don't get to the majors unless you're an ubercompetitor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 1 minute ago, chasfh said: I'm of the opinion they would all run through a wall to win. That's how ubercompetitors are wired, and you don't get to the majors unless you're an ubercompetitor. Grady Sizemore used to try and run thru walls. The walls usually won...🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 2 minutes ago, chasfh said: I'm of the opinion they would all run through a wall to win. That's how ubercompetitors are wired, and you don't get to the majors unless you're an ubercompetitor. yeah, my assumption is that the vast majority of pofessional athletes are incredibly competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 10 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I don't think pitching chaos will become that big of a big thing. There are too many things that can go wrong when you are depending on bullpen games day after day - injuries, pitchers getting tired, etc. I doubt the Tigers or anyone else will try this for a full season next year. What I could see is teams going with 3 or 4 regular starters followed by a bullpen game or two. I don't think we will see what the Tigers did this year repeated again, but that's what makes it so special. I could see teams going with 3 SP and 2 games of BP usage. The key is having SP who get you deep into the game so the BP can mostly rest on their starts. But the Tigers also seem to be using closer by committee. I remember teams trying this but I don't know if they were successful very often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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