gehringer_2 Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 It's like a self reinforcing downward spiral. Maybe because of low confidence in the goaltending, Lalonde wants them to play 'simple' north-south, but you don't beat anyone decent doing that. One play that stuck in my mind from Monday was Wing Dman (Gustafson I think) was at the left board and the Ranger was closing on him, Larkin was to right, open but maybe 10 feet deeper in the Dzone. Our man just shoveled the puck up the boards into a change of possession. It's the Wings play in a nutshell, work hard to get the puck, play without vision or creativity and give it right back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 well, lalonde finally faced reality and started playing edvinsson and seider together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 debrincat, kane, larkin, raymond, tarasenko...all of them have been nom-existant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 38 minutes ago, lordstanley said: 8 years and counting. Starting their 6th season under Yzerman’s direction. Wow. I could see 2 or 3 years without a playoff appearance but this is never ending. And the year we were close, Stevie sold instead of bought because he didn't consider us serious contenders. I love Yzerman but he wouldn't be the first great player that didn't deliver a winner for the Wings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Wow. I could see 2 or 3 years without a playoff appearance but this is never ending. And the year we were close, Stevie sold instead of bought because he didn't consider us serious contenders. I love Yzerman but he wouldn't be the first great player that didn't deliver a winner for the Wings. they were one of the worst teams in nhl history with the worst farm system and you want them to be a playoff team in 2 years???? dude... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 8 minutes ago, buddha said: they were one of the worst teams in nhl history with the worst farm system and you want them to be a playoff team in 2 years???? dude... It's been 8 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 8 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: It's been 8 years... And they arguably had a rosier outlook in 2014 than they do today. 24 year old Nyquist was coming off a 48 pts in 57 games season. 22 year old Tatar had scored 19 goals in 2014. 23 year old DeKeyser was considered a significant get. 21 year old Riley Sheehan had made the team and played 41 games in 2014. Helm was only 26. Brendan Smith was 24 and there was still some hope for him. Jurco was 20 and had played 36 NHL games in the 2024 season Sproul, Marchenko and Oulett were a wave of well thought of defense prospects all either 20 or 21 in net, Howard was 29 and in his prime , Kronwall and Zetterberg were 32 so had a few years left in them. Mantha, Larkin, Bertuzzi and Mrazek had all been drafted already https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/detroit-red-wings/latest-news/from-the-archive-comparing-the-red-wings-prospect-pool-10-years-ago-to-now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 (edited) what I find frustrating is that they seem to be stuck in purgatory. They aren't bad enough to get high picks, but basically haven't improved much in the last three years either. There are some nice pieces working their way through the system but none of them strike me as likely all-stars. I suppose Cossa is the one guy that at least in theory has an outside shot at becoming a beast and so we turn into what the Sabres were with Hasek, a bad team that can win more than it should. Obviously the NHL isn't the MLB, but the Wings haven't been able to build much roster value by rehabbing guys or trade turnarounds like the Tigers have. Hronek for the picks will yet pan out we hope. Maybe they'll shake off a poor start and be better, but soon would be nice. Edited October 18 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 38 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: It's been 8 years... yeah, but you said they should have been a playoff team in 2-3 years... and yzerman has been here for really 4 years. they were a tiebreaker away last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 12 minutes ago, lordstanley said: And they arguably had a rosier outlook in 2014 than they do today. 24 year old Nyquist was coming off a 48 pts in 57 games season. 22 year old Tatar had scored 19 goals in 2014. 23 year old DeKeyser was considered a significant get. 21 year old Riley Sheehan had made the team and played 41 games in 2014. Helm was only 26. Brendan Smith was 24 and there was still some hope for him. Jurco was 20 and had played 36 NHL games in the 2024 season Sproul, Marchenko and Oulett were a wave of well thought of defense prospects all either 20 or 21 in net, Howard was 29 and in his prime , Kronwall and Zetterberg were 32 so had a few years left in them. Mantha, Larkin, Bertuzzi and Mrazek had all been drafted already https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/detroit-red-wings/latest-news/from-the-archive-comparing-the-red-wings-prospect-pool-10-years-ago-to-now that says more about prospect rating than yzerman, dont you think? or do you long for a return to late stage kenny holland? dennis cholowski, anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 They’ve played 4 games. 2 of which were against last year’s conference finalist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: what I find frustrating is that they seem to be stuck in purgatory. They aren't bad enough to get high picks, but basically haven't improved much in the last three years either. There are some nice pieces working their way through the system but none of them strike me as likely all-stars. I suppose Cossa is the one guy that at least in theory has an outside shot at becoming a beast and so we turn into what the Sabres were with Hosek, a bad team that can win more than it should. Obviously the NHL isn't the MLB, but the Wings haven't been able to build much roster value by rehabbing guys or trade turnarounds like the Tigers have. Hronek for the picks will yet pan out we hope. Maybe they'll shake off a poor start and be better, but soon would be nice. look, i'm down on them after their last 4 games but its because they wont PLAY the talent, not that they dont HAVE the talent. you dont think seider is an all star? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 Just now, Hongbit said: They’ve played 4 games. 2 of which were against last year’s conference finalist. true! (but they were embarassed twice...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 7 minutes ago, buddha said: that says more about prospect rating than yzerman, dont you think? or do you long for a return to late stage kenny holland? dennis cholowski, anyone? I think it says we tend to overestimate the likelihood of prospects turning out at the high end of their predicted level. Including our current prospect pool. We will get a few hits, but it may be just getting a Mantha + Nyquist + Hronek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 2 minutes ago, lordstanley said: I think it says we tend to overestimate the likelihood of prospects turning out at the high end of their predicted level. Including our current prospect pool. We will get a few hits, but it may be just getting a Mantha + Nyquist + Hronek. true. i choose to continue to overestimate! although, to be fair to stevie, i think seider and raymond have turned out better than all those guys. but it remains to be seen if they can keep it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 (edited) 18 minutes ago, buddha said: look, i'm down on them after their last 4 games but its because they wont PLAY the talent, not that they dont HAVE the talent. you dont think seider is an all star? I'm not questioning that they have a couple very good players now in Raymond & Larkin. They don't have enough dominant ones and that's what I was referring to wrt the players in the pipeline. Kasper should be good, will he be dominant? Sure Seider is a dominant player, but he is .....one guy (and even there I'm not sure Lalonde knows how to use him). Larkin is an occasionally dominant player and it would be nice if he started channeling it because as you have noted, he isn't right now. If you are only working with 'good' players, you need almost every one to be good, and I don't see yet that either. Edited October 18 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 9 hours ago, buddha said: yeah, but you said they should have been a playoff team in 2-3 years... and yzerman has been here for really 4 years. they were a tiebreaker away last year. Yes, I'm impatient. When 50% of the teams in a league make the playoffs, all you have to be is average to stumble into the playoffs. The Wings have been below average for too many years. I guess I didn't see a 7 or 8 year rebuild happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 Kasper called up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 26 minutes ago, buddha said: Kasper called up. Kid better perform or we are going to look dumb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 30 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Kid better perform or we are going to look dumb! i think there is a flu bug going through the team. larkin was almost a scratch and then played. he looked off. kasper was called up under "emergency circumstances". whatever that means. i think it means half the team is sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 (edited) 17 minutes ago, buddha said: i think there is a flu bug going through the team. larkin was almost a scratch and then played. he looked off. kasper was called up under "emergency circumstances". whatever that means. i think it means half the team is sick. And that he’s gone in a week? 🤬 at least that offers some hope the general level of play may have some upside. Edited October 18 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 theyre getting worked early in nashville. nashville was due for a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 1-1! kasper with his first assist. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 Tarasenko ties it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 That was ugly. They got forechecked and could barely enter the zone. I expect a better plan this period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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