Jamo facing two game suspension??

[KL2]

4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

The guns certainly. OTOH, I think he said he lives in the city - I have no idea where but Jefferson and Connor is only a couple of blocks from Indian Village or Grosse Pointe so he *may* (or may not)  have had reasonable reason to be there.

As a native GP'er. Nobody goes to Jerfferson and Connor

[Sports_Freak]

27 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

If he’s not listening to advice from his coaches and teammates, he is not listening to people on social media enough that they enable him. 😂

He’s just living in the moment. 

People who let him get away with criminal behavior are enablers. It has nothing to do with posts on social media. If he wants to run the streets in the middle of the night with loaded weapons, treat him like any other criminal doing the same. But..

"Bro, I play for the Lions" is really NO excuse. Maybe he should be held to higher standards, since he "plays for the Lions"

[TP_Fan]

this is a great break down by an attorney in Michigan.  As I stated earlier. This is on the reporter.  He made everyone look bad when nothing untoward happened.  Some reporters are dangerous with their flippant reporting in an effort to break news. 

Edited October 30, 2024 by TP_Fan

[TP_Fan]

And not only that, like I said yesterday, it was ****ty investigative reporting.  Didn’t talk about the law. Didn’t talk about the situation. Didn’t provide any context.  

[RedRamage]

48 minutes ago, TP_Fan said:

this is a great break down by an attorney in Michigan.  As I stated earlier. This is on the reporter.  He made everyone look bad when nothing untoward happened.  Some reporters are dangerous with their flippant reporting in an effort to break news. 

Thanks for this T&P.

So, it's entirely reasonable and legal for the cops to perceive the situation and conclude: Guns are properly registered, one of two had a valid CPL, Occupants where completely cooperating, no other odd action appears to be going on... yeah, we're not going to cite/arrest the guy here, just let him off with a warning.

But here's the $64,000 question: Was this what the police on the scene were going to do or where they evaluating and deciding that they should cite or arrest this guy and it's only that someone higher up stepped in and said: No, let him go. IF that was the situation then I feel like the police may have done some questionable actions there.

Edit to add: The above is commentary on the situation and the police and how they handled it. Looking purely at Jamo: This does NOT excuse stupid behavior. Jamo should have known better and should have gone through the proper procedure to get a CPL. This isn't "Jamo is evil and a gang banger and probably was on the way to murder children" or anything like that. But it is saying that this is another instance of Jamo not fully thinking through and not making sure he's correctly adhering to all the rules/laws.

[Jason_R]

1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

People who let him get away with criminal behavior are enablers. It has nothing to do with posts on social media. If he wants to run the streets in the middle of the night with loaded weapons, treat him like any other criminal doing the same. But..

"Bro, I play for the Lions" is really NO excuse. Maybe he should be held to higher standards, since he "plays for the Lions"

It is possible that he is being treated more harshly because he plays for the lions. It is not clear whether police would have gone through with an arrest had he just been some average Jaymo. But they chose not to arrest him. The only reason that this incident is being revisited is that he is a member of the Detroit Lions.

it is not necessarily irrelevant for him to have said at the scene that he is a member of the Detroit Lions. Police might have assumed that he was involved in some criminal activity or was affiliated with a gang. By telling them that he is a player for the Detroit Lions, he was indicating to them that they should not be suspicious that he was involved in any other criminal action.

Yes, he is immature. But they didn’t necessarily pick him for his maturity. They picked him because he is hard to catch. And the cops didn’t catch him that night. 😂

clearly, I am not on board with all of the pearl clutching. He is a kid and he should grow up. But he has not hurt anybody. He has only let himself and his teammates down.

[RedRamage]

20 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

clearly, I am not on board with all of the pearl clutching. He is a kid and he should grow up. But he has not hurt anybody. He has only let himself and his teammates down.

I think it's important to look at the two aspects of this incident separately... just like with the gambling issue.

Re the gambling:

• Part A: Did Jamo break a rule? Was he responsible to the consequences of that? Was he dumb/immature to not make sure he clearly understood the rules before gambling? Yes on all accounts.
• Part B: Was it a stupid rule that says "It's perfectly okay to do this if you're standing right here, but it's 1/3 of a season suspension if you take one step over this invisible line and do that same thing right there"? Also yes.

In the same way:

• Part A: Is it dumb/immature to not make sure you understand the firearms laws before you go out with a concealed firearm? Yes.
• Part B: Did the police do a questionable thing by letting him go and not arresting or charging him? That's up for debate. Based on what we've seen I'm thinking no.

In both instances Part A is a reflection on the maturity and decision making of Jamo and it both instances Jamo if found lacking. This doesn't make him evil/horrible/a puppy kicker... it make him immature.

In both instances Part B does not reflect on Jamo what so ever.

[MichiganCardinal]

1 hour ago, TP_Fan said:

this is a great break down by an attorney in Michigan.  As I stated earlier. This is on the reporter.  He made everyone look bad when nothing untoward happened.  Some reporters are dangerous with their flippant reporting in an effort to break news. 

I strongly disagree with blaming a reporter for writing a story. Jamo is a public figure, not a 13yo kid. There’s no right to privacy when you break the law as an adult public figure. And there sure isn’t as police making judgement calls.

Worthy’s office gets murders, rapes, and Armed Robbery on a daily basis. A news story about a celebrity getting a CCW is not a blip on their radar. He either will or won’t get charged, and it will be pursuant to their policy. And yes, it’s possible that decision will be impacted by the police handing their only piece of evidence right back to the subject. I don’t buy for a second that the next young black man not named Jameson Williams will be impacted by this story though. They’re not name dropping to get discretion like Jamo was. And it sure looks like it worked.

Blaming the story is goalpost shifting, plain and simple. Jamo is incredibly immature, and he needs to figure it out, or he’s not going to get a second contract in Detroit.

[Tigeraholic1]

3 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I strongly disagree with blaming a reporter for writing a story. Jamo is a public figure, not a 13yo kid. There’s no right to privacy when you break the law as an adult public figure. And there sure isn’t as police making judgement calls.

Worthy’s office gets murders, rapes, and Armed Robbery on a daily basis. A news story about a celebrity getting a CCW is not a blip on their radar. He either will or won’t get charged, and it will be pursuant to their policy. And yes, it’s possible that decision will be impacted by the police handing their only piece of evidence right back to the subject. I don’t buy for a second that the next young black man not named Jameson Williams will be impacted by this story though. They’re not name dropping to get discretion like Jamo was. And it sure looks like it worked.

Blaming the story is goalpost shifting, plain and simple. Jamo is incredibly immature, and he needs to figure it out, or he’s not going to get a second contract in Detroit.

I agree with this. I did not read the article so maybe someone could answer this. Did the article state that there was a permitted person in the vehicle? To me that is the key to the whole thing. If I get pulled over w/o a driver's license but another occupant has a valid license it is the cop's discretion to allow that person to drive and give me a warning. If I was a **** and not cooperate then he could choose to tow it and take me to jail.

[TP_Fan]

10 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I strongly disagree with blaming a reporter for writing a story. Jamo is a public figure, not a 13yo kid. There’s no right to privacy when you break the law as an adult public figure. And there sure isn’t as police making judgement calls.

Worthy’s office gets murders, rapes, and Armed Robbery on a daily basis. A news story about a celebrity getting a CCW is not a blip on their radar. He either will or won’t get charged, and it will be pursuant to their policy. And yes, it’s possible that decision will be impacted by the police handing their only piece of evidence right back to the subject. I don’t buy for a second that the next young black man not named Jameson Williams will be impacted by this story though. They’re not name dropping to get discretion like Jamo was. And it sure looks like it worked.

Blaming the story is goalpost shifting, plain and simple. Jamo is incredibly immature, and he needs to figure it out, or he’s not going to get a second contract in Detroit.

I watched the Jamo video. I did not take it as name dropping to get out of trouble.

And when a reporter does a **** job, they should be held to account.  He pained a story that made it look like everyone was doing something nefarious.  Didn’t provide any substance in the law. Didn’t ask any experts.  He wrote the article for clicks without any real investigative reporting.  In most cases reporters get it right. This guy didn’t he attempt to get it right.  

[Hongbit]

2 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

I agree with this. I did not read the article so maybe someone could answer this. Did the article state that there was a permitted person in the vehicle? To me that is the key to the whole thing. If I get pulled over w/o a driver's license but another occupant has a valid license it is the cop's discretion to allow that person to drive and give me a warning. If I was a **** and not cooperate then he could choose to tow it and take me to jail.

Both guns were legally registered and the driver did have a CPL.   The driver was not charged.  Also importantl and a sign of some maturity and responsibility. Jamo alerted the Lions immediately after the incident happened even though he was not charged.    We remember the Sutton situation, where he never alerted the team and they found out about it when everyone else did.  

[KnoxP]

58 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

Thanks for this T&P.

So, it's entirely reasonable and legal for the cops to perceive the situation and conclude: Guns are properly registered, one of two had a valid CPL, Occupants where completely cooperating, no other odd action appears to be going on... yeah, we're not going to cite/arrest the guy here, just let him off with a warning.

But here's the $64,000 question: Was this what the police on the scene were going to do or where they evaluating and deciding that they should cite or arrest this guy and it's only that someone higher up stepped in and said: No, let him go. IF that was the situation then I feel like the police may have done some questionable actions there.

Edit to add: The above is commentary on the situation and the police and how they handled it. Looking purely at Jamo: This does NOT excuse stupid behavior. Jamo should have known better and should have gone through the proper procedure to get a CPL. This isn't "Jamo is evil and a gang banger and probably was on the way to murder children" or anything like that. But it is saying that this is another instance of Jamo not fully thinking through and not making sure he's correctly adhering to all the rules/laws.

Tend to agree here with one clarification. If paragraph 1 is accurate, paragraph 2 is irrelevant.  I think if the officers on the scene really felt the situation justified an arrest, they would have acted upon that.  My gut says they called for some advice and counsel from higher ups.

I agree also with your Edit to add.  

My edit to add: All pure conjecture, without knowing all the details and facts.

Edited October 30, 2024 by KnoxP

[Sports_Freak]

55 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

It is possible that he is being treated more harshly because he plays for the lions. It is not clear whether police would have gone through with an arrest had he just been some average Jaymo. But they chose not to arrest him. The only reason that this incident is being revisited is that he is a member of the Detroit Lions.

it is not necessarily irrelevant for him to have said at the scene that he is a member of the Detroit Lions. Police might have assumed that he was involved in some criminal activity or was affiliated with a gang. By telling them that he is a player for the Detroit Lions, he was indicating to them that they should not be suspicious that he was involved in any other criminal action.

Yes, he is immature. But they didn’t necessarily pick him for his maturity. They picked him because he is hard to catch. And the cops didn’t catch him that night. 😂

clearly, I am not on board with all of the pearl clutching. He is a kid and he should grow up. But he has not hurt anybody. He has only let himself and his teammates down.

You don't understand the entitled behavior that's involved. When a person has people in their life that enables them, they start thinking that behavior is normal and when they come across somebody that refuses to be an enabler, the person starts thinking there's something wrong with that person. They think getting treated special is normal and anyone who doesn't enable them has something wrong with them. And age is a very funny thing, by mid-teens, this behavior is set into place. He's still a kid or he's just an immature child are just excuses that further enables them. I actually feel sorry for people like Williams, he's actually a victim. What he really needs is to start being held accountable for his actions. Otherwise, these actions will escalate into even greater issues and eventually, no enabling will get them out of it.

 

Enabler behavior involves encouraging someone to do things they shouldn’t do, pretending like there isn’t a problem, helping them cover up their mistakes, and allowing them to keep doing what they’re doing instead of calling them out on it.

It’s important to take steps to recognize this behavior and correct it by setting boundaries with the person, avoiding making excuses for them, letting them take responsibility for their actions, and encouraging them to get help."

 

https://www.verywellmind.com/enabler-behavior-motivations-signs-impact-8602260

[Sports_Freak]

35 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

I agree with this. I did not read the article so maybe someone could answer this. Did the article state that there was a permitted person in the vehicle? To me that is the key to the whole thing. If I get pulled over w/o a driver's license but another occupant has a valid license it is the cop's discretion to allow that person to drive and give me a warning. If I was a **** and not cooperate then he could choose to tow it and take me to jail.

Driving without a valid drivers license is a bit different than having a loaded gun under your car seat. I saw this updated story on the news last night and the prosecutor may reissue charges against Williams. Apparently, the CCW for the brothers gun can't be used for the gun that was registered to Jaymo. It was illegal and they will have news about charges within 30 days.

[TP_Fan]

25 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

You don't understand the entitled behavior that's involved. When a person has people in their life that enables them, they start thinking that behavior is normal and when they come across somebody that refuses to be an enabler, the person starts thinking there's something wrong with that person. They think getting treated special is normal and anyone who doesn't enable them has something wrong with them. And age is a very funny thing, by mid-teens, this behavior is set into place. He's still a kid or he's just an immature child are just excuses that further enables them. I actually feel sorry for people like Williams, he's actually a victim. What he really needs is to start being held accountable for his actions. Otherwise, these actions will escalate into even greater issues and eventually, no enabling will get them out of it.

 

Enabler behavior involves encouraging someone to do things they shouldn’t do, pretending like there isn’t a problem, helping them cover up their mistakes, and allowing them to keep doing what they’re doing instead of calling them out on it.

It’s important to take steps to recognize this behavior and correct it by setting boundaries with the person, avoiding making excuses for them, letting them take responsibility for their actions, and encouraging them to get help."

 

https://www.verywellmind.com/enabler-behavior-motivations-signs-impact-8602260

What a ridiculous take.  By all accounts Jaymo is a good dude.  Active in the community. Giving back. And you’re acting like he just shot Kennedy.  Get a grip. 

[TP_Fan]

17 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Driving without a valid drivers license is a bit different than having a loaded gun under your car seat. I saw this updated story on the news last night and the prosecutor may reissue charges against Williams. Apparently, the CCW for the brothers gun can't be used for the gun that was registered to Jaymo. It was illegal and they will have news about charges within 30 days.

Sounds like you’re rooting for him to be charged and arrested.  Sounds like others on TV everyday.  

[Jason_R]

45 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

You don't understand the entitled behavior that's involved. When a person has people in their life that enables them, they start thinking that behavior is normal and when they come across somebody that refuses to be an enabler, the person starts thinking there's something wrong with that person. They think getting treated special is normal and anyone who doesn't enable them has something wrong with them. And age is a very funny thing, by mid-teens, this behavior is set into place. He's still a kid or he's just an immature child are just excuses that further enables them. I actually feel sorry for people like Williams, he's actually a victim. What he really needs is to start being held accountable for his actions. Otherwise, these actions will escalate into even greater issues and eventually, no enabling will get them out of it.

 

Enabler behavior involves encouraging someone to do things they shouldn’t do, pretending like there isn’t a problem, helping them cover up their mistakes, and allowing them to keep doing what they’re doing instead of calling them out on it.

It’s important to take steps to recognize this behavior and correct it by setting boundaries with the person, avoiding making excuses for them, letting them take responsibility for their actions, and encouraging them to get help."

 

https://www.verywellmind.com/enabler-behavior-motivations-signs-impact-8602260

What I don’t understand is why people are getting their panties in a bunch that police did not escalate a situation with a couple of young black men who didn’t hurt anyone — except a few people’s feelings. 

[Motown Bombers]

My issue is that Williams is facing his third suspension in three years. It's always one step forward and two steps back. He's on the verge of missing more time due to suspension than his knee injury. Just unreliable, and I'm not sure I could commit to signing him long term yet. 

[Sports_Freak]

24 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

What I don’t understand is why people are getting their panties in a bunch that police did not escalate a situation with a couple of young black men who didn’t hurt anyone — except a few people’s feelings. 

Because he's being treated differently than just any typical citizen?

[Sports_Freak]

15 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

My issue is that Williams is facing his third suspension in three years. It's always one step forward and two steps back. He's on the verge of missing more time due to suspension than his knee injury. Just unreliable, and I'm not sure I could commit to signing him long term yet. 

I hate to say it because I don't want it to happen but probably the best thing the Lions could do for Jaymo, the person, is to suspend him. A team suspension would mean more than an NFL suspension. Send the message that the team won't tolerate this type of behavior. 

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

I hate to say it because I don't want it to happen but probably the best thing the Lions could do for Jaymo, the person, is to suspend him. A team suspension would mean more than an NFL suspension. Send the message that the team won't tolerate this type of behavior. 

I would decline his 5th year option like they did with Nick Fairley and make him prove himself. 

[Motor City Sonics]

Why isn't Ben Johnson game planning more for Jaymo to stay out of trouble.       The Lions need to fire Ben Johnson.  How does he even have a job at this point?    

 

And Jaymo was left with nobody out in the world to defend him.   Fire Aaron Glenn as well.  

 

 

[Sports_Freak]

27 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I would decline his 5th year option like they did with Nick Fairley and make him prove himself. 

I don't know about that. He's kinda valuable, both as a player or a trade chip.

[Motown Bombers]

3 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

I don't know about that. He's kinda valuable, both as a player or a trade chip.

If he performs and stays out of trouble, they can give him a new contract. 

[Jason_R]

1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

Because he's being treated differently than just any typical citizen?

How do you know this? What data do you have about the number of stops that are made like this and the number of times these stops lead to arrests or charges?

We make cops wear body cams because they are alleged to be too hard on black men. Now people are using the body cam footage to say cops are being too easy on black men. 

It seems the only winners in all this are the sanctimonious journalists who use snippets of body cam footage to manufacture moral outrage then cash in on it.