The future of Colt Keith

[RaceDog]

How good will he be?

Kaline? Fryman?, Higginson?, Maybin?, Torkelson?, Baddoo? or ???

 

[Tiger337]

36 minutes ago, RaceDog said:

How good will he be?

Kaline? Fryman?, Higginson?, Maybin?, Torkelson?, Baddoo? or ???

 

McAuliffe

[oblong]

Too early to tell. I’d be thrilled with a Fryman but even so… just average is fine. 

[papalawrence]

I think his grooves will expand. Certainly 15-25 home runs, .280, .800 ops not out of the question. He looks like a player to me. I think he makes an all-star team even before his initial contract is up. Can barrel it up to all fields. Seems like a gym rat type that will work to improve

[Tenacious D]

2 hours ago, RaceDog said:

How good will he be?

Kaline? Fryman?, Higginson?, Maybin?, Torkelson?, Baddoo? or ???

 

Hard to say, but if Ohtani and Judge had a baby together, it would be Colt Keith.

[gehringer_2]

very quick bat, so he doesn't get fooled that much - and results in a relatively low K rate for a modern player. Like Riley he falls into over swing mode too much. It's so hard to get young players (and old ones for that matter) to understand the physics that at their bat speed levels, barreling the ball is more important than swinging the bat hard(er).

Edited October 24, 2024 by gehringer_2

[Jim Cowan]

He looks like a hitter.  So many of them don't, but he does.  He has that classic balanced stance, stands tall with square shoulders and the bat seems quick. 

Of everyone who posts here I am by far the least qualified to assess talent, truly, no one else is even close.

[IdahoBert]

5 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said:

He looks like a hitter.  So many of them don't, but he does.  He has that classic balanced stance, stands tall with square shoulders and the bat seems quick. 

Of everyone who posts here I am by far the least qualified to assess talent, truly, no one else is even close.

I don’t know, I may be even less qualified than you, so let’s have a race to the bottom. 

[Tiger337]

When it comes to physical scouting, I am pretty bad too.  

[romad1]

I was expecting some sort of Kurt Vonnegut-esq posts to this thread premise.

Alt.

Some sort of Cristopher Nolan plot hole nonsensical-on-first-third-viewing time shifty stuff.

[Hongbit]

So it goes

[chasfh]

11 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

McAuliffe

It’s so hard to project because Colt’s only 23 and he’s in a teaching system, so I think there was wide variance of outcomes at play here. McAuliffe is a pretty good baseline, in that if he’s worse than that, I think I’d be disappointed. Colt’s reasonable upside might be Jeff Kent, which is borderline Hall of Famer.

The $64 question to me is whether Colt sticks at second base. I would think if we come across a plus defender with at least an average stick there, Colt moves somewhere else, but I think that would take a pretty good find for that to happen any time soon.

[Tiger337]

I mostly agree.  As with every young player, I think there is a very wide range of outcomes including many bad ones.  I think McAuliffe would be a good outcome as a player with 8 consecutive above average years in his prime.  I also think it's a reasonable target.  If he moves to first base, then hitting like McAuliffe would not be such a good outcome, but he does have the potential to do better than that.  

Edited October 24, 2024 by Tiger337

[RaceDog]

This is where I’m thinking he goes…..he’ll be a little better than serviceable at 2b defensively and a moderate power threat with an average average. This is my worse case scenario. The Kent mention above is what we hope for.

 

i am hoping Mark chimes in since his usual wet blanket outlook is usually correct, lol.

[Tiger337]

2 minutes ago, RaceDog said:

This is where I’m thinking he goes…..he’ll be a little better than serviceable at 2b defensively and a moderate power threat with an average average. This is my worse case scenario. The Kent mention above is what we hope for.

 

i am hoping Mark chimes in since his usual wet blanket outlook is usually correct, lol.

Where is 84lives these days?  Keith will be the next Rogers Hornsby!

[papalawrence]

8 hours ago, chasfh said:

It’s so hard to project because Colt’s only 23 and he’s in a teaching system, so I think there was wide variance of outcomes at play here. McAuliffe is a pretty good baseline, in that if he’s worse than that, I think I’d be disappointed. Colt’s reasonable upside might be Jeff Kent, which is borderline Hall of Famer.

The $64 question to me is whether Colt sticks at second base. I would think if we come across a plus defender with at least an average stick there, Colt moves somewhere else, but I think that would take a pretty good find for that to happen any time soon.

I have a hunch Lee will impress and end up at 2nd and Keith could be 3rd or 1B. Just a gut feeling. But that could be the curry I just ate

[gehringer_2]

It's been fun watching how good Keith has gotten at turning DPs, he is quick and his arm in general is strong and accurate, his hands seem fine as well. The problem for Colt is range, and as he gets older it's hard to imagine that big body is going to get any quicker. Because of the arm and the turn, he's OK at 2B now, but sure,  it's easy to imagine a significantly better defender coming through the pipeline like Lee. You would like to see more ISO if you had to move him to 3rd or esp 1st, but that may come - don't need to worry that for now.

[TcFlint]

He is already good as a rookie. After this first season, when technically he should have still been in the minors, the sky is the limit.  I say **** McAluiffe, but with more power.  Not sure if he will be a 2B, 1B, or DH.

[SkyBlue]

11 hours ago, chasfh said:

It’s so hard to project because Colt’s only 23 and he’s in a teaching system, so I think there was wide variance of outcomes at play here. McAuliffe is a pretty good baseline, in that if he’s worse than that, I think I’d be disappointed. Colt’s reasonable upside might be Jeff Kent, which is borderline Hall of Famer.

The $64 question to me is whether Colt sticks at second base. I would think if we come across a plus defender with at least an average stick there, Colt moves somewhere else, but I think that would take a pretty good find for that to happen any time soon.

May already have that in the system.  Lee to second, Keith to first.

[chasfh]

2 minutes ago, SkyBlue said:

May already have that in the system.  Lee to second, Keith to first.

This seems like a reasonable option.

[Motor City Sonics]

Wow, people already pushing Tork off a cliff. 

Don't give up on him just yet.  

[1776]

8 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Where is 84lives these days? 

I was wondering the same thing. I’m missing the CAPS LOCK action. 

[Jim Cowan]

I would say don't worry about Keith's power, it's in there, definitely enough for 1B if the OBP ticks up.  And yes, I pushed Tork off a cliff but don't worry, I sent Brieske home with his outright release 3 years ago.

[CMU97]

I may be optimistic, but I see his ceiling as Pete Rose, with maybe a little more power. He has the hit tool, I expected him to be a .300 hitter or better most of his career. And like Rose, I think he has the ability to move around to different positions as needed and be more than adequate. I don't know if he can become a gold glove at multiple positions, but be better than replacement. 

I think the bottom would be a Greg Gagne type. Not a gold glover, but incredibly consistant and durable. Hit .250-.280 with 10-20 homers for 10 years. 

Rose would be great, but I would take Gagne. 

[Longgone]

On 10/24/2024 at 7:24 PM, SkyBlue said:

May already have that in the system.  Lee to second, Keith to first.

If Keith’s defense ends up anywhere near average, leave him alone. If you can keep his kind of bat in the middle infield, that’s an advantage.