Red Wings November 2024 Game Thread

[slothfacekilla]

In my eyes, Gus has played better compared to where he started the season but he's still who I want on the ice the least right now but that's just a personal preference.  I will say he did make a random play last game that shocked me because it was actually pretty clever.  Maybe he's getting more comfortable too.  Petry isn't doing much to hold him off for me though, Petry looks old as hell out there. 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, slothfacekilla said:

In my eyes, Gus has played better compared to where he started the season but he's still who I want on the ice the least right now but that's just a personal preference.  I will say he did make a random play last game that shocked me because it was actually pretty clever.  Maybe he's getting more comfortable too.  Petry isn't doing much to hold him off for me though, Petry looks old as hell out there. 

Petry is just sad to watch. He knows what to do but just fails. He sets up on a guy, the guy goes right past him, he goes into the corner, the other player comes out with the puck, he tries to pass, it doesn't get there, he's near the man in front of the net, the man makes the play anyway.  I can understand why a coach likes him, the instincts are there, but at some point execution has to matter. 

[lordstanley]

 

[slothfacekilla]

Wings gave up a goal to the Leafs but it was called off for goaltender interference which I was a bit surprised about.  They honestly got lucky in my eyes because the main reason for the goal was bad positioning then puck watching from both Gustafsson and Johansson.  Bad plays by them.

[slothfacekilla]

Welp Seider has bad gap control on Marner then Edvinsson isn't able to help clear the puck in front of the net, this will count for the Leafs.

[buddha]

gustafsson's dumb ass just iced the puck on a power play.

[gehringer_2]

puck bouncing all over the place - bad ice maybe?

[lordstanley]

Wings trail 2-1 starting the 3rd but sounds like they’re playing one of their better games?  I haven’t been able to watch so am just going off a bit of Ken & Paul and a few texts from my uncle. 

[gehringer_2]

22 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

but sounds like they’re playing one of their better games?  

IDK, nobody can make a pass tonight - but the Leafs aren't doing much better. Pretty choppy play

Edited November 9, 2024 by gehringer_2

[gehringer_2]

well that was absurd. Wings don't pull Talbot when they had control, then give up the empty netter before Talbot even gets to the bench on on sloppy play by Seider.

Wings were a step behind the leafs the whole 3rd.

Edited November 9, 2024 by gehringer_2

[buddha]

10 hours ago, lordstanley said:

Wings trail 2-1 starting the 3rd but sounds like they’re playing one of their better games?  I haven’t been able to watch so am just going off a bit of Ken & Paul and a few texts from my uncle. 

they played well.  but the leafs top line (minus matthews who wasnt playing) was better than anyone we had on the ice and that was the difference.

[gehringer_2]

energy - got to more loose pucks.

6 hours ago, buddha said:

they played well.

I didn't see the 1st, but by the 2nd the Wings were pretty out of sync. The whole team was having trouble finding the touch on their passing -- a lot of missed passes and passes jumping sticks.  Maybe they were keyed up to play Toronto, or as as noted previously, maybe some help from a poor ice sheet last night.

Leafs generally had more energy - got to more loose pucks -- but that said giving up two goals to the Leafs is not a bad defensive effort, they just couldn't do anything with the puck themselves. Not to mention they gave up the game winner on a TMMOTI penalty - which is always inexcusable.

Edited November 9, 2024 by gehringer_2

[lordstanley]

3-0 Rangers late in the 2nd. Looking like a lost weekend for the Wings. A loss will put them at 6-7-1, a record that finally will reflect how they’ve been playing. Even that might be flattering. 

[buddha]

1 minute ago, lordstanley said:

3-0 Rangers late in the 2nd. Looking like a lost weekend for the Wings. A loss will put them at 6-7-1, a record that finally will reflect how they’ve been playing. Even that might be flattering. 

they've played well for a majority of this game.  they outplayed and outshot the rangers for most of it.  bad puck luck tonight.

that said, they probably had positive puck luck ALL of last year and for many of their games so far this year.

[buddha]

also, they dont have great offensive finishers.

[lordstanley]

Goals against average, out of 51 qualifying goalies in the league. Unless one thinks Talbot and Lyon are both NHL top-10 goalies, no reason to think the Wings are even as good as their mediocre record.

[Motor City Sonics]

You have to start questioning whether Lalonde is the right guy for this. 

[lordstanley]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

also, they dont have great offensive finishers.

Hard to think of a reason to get excited about watching right now. 

[buddha]

19 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

Hard to think of a reason to get excited about watching right now. 

they have to be one of the most boring teams in the league.

[buddha]

you all keep telling me how great lucas raymond is playing, but he has to be THE GUY if they are going to move into a top tier team.

not a set up guy.  not a guy who is playing better on the boards.  not a guy who is keeping possession.  

he has to be THE GUY who is scoring goals every night.

and he's not.  he sort of embodies this team: good players, working hard, doing things well, but not good enough.  raymond has to be panarin.  has to be zibanajed.  has to be marchand.  and he's not.  he just good, not great. 

he's not a problem.  he's a good player and a building block, but he's not a star.  and he has to be a star if the wings are going to take the next step.

the more i watch them, the more i think they have to go all in on a marner type, or kiprizov if he gets to free agency.  they dont have a star and arent likely to get one if they dont shell out in free agency.

[gehringer_2]

41 minutes ago, buddha said:

the more i watch them, the more i think they have to go all in on a marner type, or kiprizov if he gets to free agency.

I'm not sure I agree. I think it may be the opposite - they are below critical mass of quality players to allow a great (or even very good) player to show up - well make that particularly centers.  They have a few decent wings all competing to play with the one center who can make offense go. We complain about Raymond - dollars to donut you put him back with Larkin and his goal scoring an impact on the ice starts climbing again. I think scoring sucks more because they have no centers after Larkin that are even average, than because they need a superstar per se, or maybe by definition any center that came in and played at anything close to Larkins level would be one definition of a star, though people constantly tell us Larkin is not in that class.....

Edited November 10, 2024 by gehringer_2

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, buddha said:

they've played well for a majority of this game.  they outplayed and outshot the rangers for most of it.  bad puck luck tonight.

that said, they probably had positive puck luck ALL of last year and for many of their games so far this year.

Not even to mention that 3 games in 4 days shouldn't even be a scheduling option in the NHL.

Edited November 10, 2024 by gehringer_2

[buddha]

[lordstanley]

2G 1A from Tarasenko, one of the few offseason adds, doesn't help.

[lordstanley]

The one thing that the faithful have hung their hats on is that the Wings since hitting bottom in 2019-2020 (39 pts in 71 games, for an 82-game pace of 45 pts) have scored incremental improvements since then, starting with 70 pts pace in 2020-2021 (48 pts in 56 games) . But what happens if they end up with a points total in the 70s this season, which could very well happen? The lack of "build" in the re-build would be even more evident than it is today