The Beginning of the End: The Lame Duck Period of Joe Biden’s Presidency

[pfife]

magaholic is a spokesperson for victims families now? 

[Tigeraholic1]

2 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I am not defending Biden in this case, but many would see living in prison for life to be worse punishment than the death penalty.  

You are in the minority on this subject apparently. Pope Biden has spoken.

 

 

[pfife]

Lol

[Tigeraholic1]

Just a reminder of how it started lol

 

[mtutiger]

Unpopular opinion: the death penalty sucks and doesn't accomplish anything. Very few, if any, of the people he commuted to life sentences would have even faced it had he not did what he did today, but I'm glad he did it (although I tend to think that holding back on the hate crimes cases looks unprincipled)

It's my most unpopular opinion... It doesn't save government money, it doesn't deter crime, I'm not even sure its about the victims in some cases... its all about something deeper for the American psyche. It's not rational, it's all about emotion...

I'm sure some folks will call me woke and stupid for feeling this way, or that I cannot possibly relate... but given all of the above and the fact that we have undoubtedly executed innocents given that our justice system is composed of human beings, the costs outweigh any benefits IMO

Edited December 24, 2024 by mtutiger

[mtutiger]

3 hours ago, 1776 said:

So, apparently Biden didn’t commute those that had been convicted of a hate crime. For what it’s worth, this decision doesn’t make a bit of sense. 
 

 

I actually agree... It's not totally unlike where George Ryan was in Illinois in 2003 (biggest difference being that Ryan was facing prison time), but in a case of conscience changing, it doesn't make sense to settle for a half loaf. You either go all in or you don't.

[chasfh]

14 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I am not defending Biden in this case, but many would see living in prison for life to be worse punishment than the death penalty.  

Also, since when are we handing out death penalties for crimes during which no one died?

[chasfh]

10 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Unpopular opinion: the death penalty sucks and doesn't accomplish anything. Very few, if any, of the people he commuted to life sentences would have even faced it had he not did what he did today, but I'm glad he did it (although I tend to think that holding back on the hate crimes cases looks unprincipled)

It's my most unpopular opinion... It doesn't save government money, it doesn't deter crime, I'm not even sure its about the victims in some cases... its all about something deeper for the American psyche. It's not rational, it's all about emotion...

I'm sure some folks will call me woke and stupid for feeling this way, or that I cannot possibly relate... but given all of the above and the fact that we have undoubtedly executed innocents given that our justice system is composed of human beings, the costs outweigh any benefits IMO

I tried to give you a like and ran out. I’ll try to remember to come back to this.

To the idea of capital punishment not saving the government money, I would bet the right wing elites would have an easy solution to that: execute immediately upon conviction. The moment after sentence is passed, walk the perp to a special cell, line them up against the wall, kablammo. Then bill the family for the bullet plus labor and court costs. And don’t forget the 3% surcharge if they use a credit card.

I get a lot of good ideas when I put on my red hat.

 

Edited December 24, 2024 by chasfh

[oblong]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

I tried to give you a like and ran out. I’ll try to remember to come back to this.

To the idea of capital punishment not saving the government money, I would bet the right wing elites would have an easy solution to that: execute immediately upon conviction. The moment after sentence is passed, walk the perp to a special cell, line them up against the wall, kablammo. Then bill the family for the bullet plus labor and court costs. And don’t forget the 3% surcharge if they use a credit card.

I get a lot of good ideas when I put on my red hat.

 

Trump and his bosses watch that video of Saddam taking power in Iraq in the 70s like it’s Christmas season and home alone or Elf. 

[Motown Bombers]

The pro-life party is big mad that Biden just saved the lives of 37 people. 

[Tigeraholic1]

 

[gehringer_2]

1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

 

And just as silly as this it is you can exactly reverse this meme to “death row inmates disguise themselves as fetuses…..”

[Tigeraholic1]

3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

And just as silly as this it is you can exactly reverse this meme to “death row inmates disguise themselves as fetuses…..”

The inmate gets a trial first.

[Tigeraholic1]

21 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I am not defending Biden in this case, but many would see living in prison for life to be worse punishment than the death penalty.  

Think they will get their explanation?

 

 

[mtutiger]

52 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

The inmate gets a trial first.

A trial before human beings... who are both imperfect and not free of sin.

Do you think that our justice system has never once killed someone who ultimately didn't commit the crime?

[Motown Bombers]

The fetus gets a trial by its mother and doctor. Pro life party big mad when the government can't kill people. 

[mtutiger]

15 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

A trial before human beings... who are both imperfect and not free of sin.

Do you think that our justice system has never once killed someone who ultimately didn't commit the crime?

This is a rhetorical question by the way... I think deep down, we all know the answer

[ewsieg]

On 12/24/2024 at 11:54 AM, Motown Bombers said:

The pro-life party is big mad that Biden just saved the lives of 37 people. 

Why not 40 though?  I understand those that don't want the death penalty, but if you truly don't believe in the death penalty and choose to commute those sentences, what makes you go...'oh, except for these three'.  Do you believe in the Death Penalty or not?  I don't get it.

[Tigeraholic1]

18 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Why not 40 though?  I understand those that don't want the death penalty, but if you truly don't believe in the death penalty and choose to commute those sentences, what makes you go...'oh, except for these three'.  Do you believe in the Death Penalty or not?  I don't get it.

Nobody wants to answer that here, we need to shuffle along.

[VegasTiger]

I'll give you my answer. I disagree with the death penalty. I don't think the state should have the power to execute its citizens. 37 out of 40 isn't perfect but it's better than nothing. And if those three are the ones that didn't make the cut...lets just say I'll whistle past the gallows without losing much sleep.

Edited December 26, 2024 by VegasTiger

[mtutiger]

6 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Nobody wants to answer that here, we need to shuffle along.

 

On 12/23/2024 at 10:05 PM, mtutiger said:

I actually agree... It's not totally unlike where George Ryan was in Illinois in 2003 (biggest difference being that Ryan was facing prison time), but in a case of conscience changing, it doesn't make sense to settle for a half loaf. You either go all in or you don't.

 

[Tigeraholic1]

5 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

 

 

Was not pointed at you. CMR loves to tell me I never give him a straight answer so I was hoping he could give me one. Guess not... 

[Tigeraholic1]

17 minutes ago, VegasTiger said:

I'll give you my answer. I disagree with the death penalty. I don't think the state should have the power to execute its citizens. 37 out of 40 isn't perfect but it's better than nothing. And if those three are the ones that didn't make the cut...lets just say I'll whistle past the gallows without losing much sleep.

Weird counterdicting answer. 

[mtutiger]

9 minutes ago, VegasTiger said:

I'll give you my answer. I disagree with the death penalty. I don't think the state should have the power to execute its citizens. 37 out of 40 isn't perfect but it's better than nothing. 

Yeah, if a person is opposed to the death penalty, it's possible to be disappointed with the action taken (and that it comes across as a half measure) while still feeling that commuting 37/40 is still a positive step.

He should have went 40/40 on principle, though... the folks who believe the state has never once killed an innocent person before (or don't care) were never gonna be pleased regardless.

[mtutiger]

3 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Was not pointed at you. CMR loves to tell me I never give him a straight answer so I was hoping he could give me one. Guess not... 

You said nobody had answered that question. Multiple people have, in fact, answered that question.

Speaking of straight answers, do you think that our justice system has never once killed someone who ultimately didn't commit the crime?