Week Thirteen: Chicago Bears (4-7) @ Detroit Lions (10-1)

[sagnam]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

The Bears only had one timeout. They would need to run something out of bounds. 

Which is why they didn’t want or need to call a timeout before the 3rd down play. With the timeout in their pocket the whole field is in play, with none Detroit guards sidelines and the end zone.

[sagnam]

If the Lions were in the same situation and Dan called timeout at 10 seconds y’all would be livid. If he called the timeout any time before 3rd at all y’all would be pissed.

Luckily the Lions are coached well and have a QB who doesn’t think he owns the team and will run the play called. So we would have completed a pass to St Brown or LaPorta for 12 yards and called timeout with 3 seconds left.

Edited November 30, 2024 by sagnam

[buddha]

1 minute ago, Motor City Sonics said:

They would have blown him out yesterday if it wasn't Thanksgiving.   

nyah.  this is the bears.

you've been saying for the last two years they were about to fire eberflus.  and if they were a normal organization, you would have been correct.  but theyre the bears.  theyre the epitome of stupid.

my favorite bears joke was that when they fired gm RYAN pace and coach MATT nagy, they hired gm RYAN poles and coach MATT eberflus so virginia mccaskey would be able to remember their names...

i also would have taken "the bears were too cheap to get new nametags for their doors..."

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, sagnam said:

Which is why they didn’t want or need to call a timeout before the 3rd down play. With the timeout in their pocket the whole field is in play, with none Detroit guards sidelines and the end zone.

I understand, and it makes sense to hurry and run a play on 3rd down. Eberflus said they wanted to run the play at 18 seconds. When that doesn't happen, Eberflus needs to also have a contingency plan. He needs to call the timeout at around 12 seconds if the ball isn't snapped. You then need to call something to the sidelines or the end zone. If that doesn't work, kick the long FG. No way a coach should let that game end with a timeout in his pocket and not even attempting a FG. If Caleb dances around with 12 seconds and screws it up, at least you did everything you could as coach. 

[sagnam]

3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I understand, and it makes sense to hurry and run a play on 3rd down. Eberflus said they wanted to run the play at 18 seconds. When that doesn't happen, Eberflus needs to also have a contingency plan. He needs to call the timeout at around 12 seconds if the ball isn't snapped. You then need to call something to the sidelines or the end zone. If that doesn't work, kick the long FG. No way a coach should let that game end with a timeout in his pocket and not even attempting a FG. If Caleb dances around with 12 seconds and screws it up, at least you did everything you could as coach. 

What happened really is no different than the 12 second dancing around. Caleb took 26 seconds to line up and snap the ball and then ran a different play than the one called that took longer than 6 seconds. Look at how many stupid mistakes Williams had to make to blow this game. It’s actually wild then he’s not being lambasted. The level of incompetence is staggering.

[TP_Fan]

1 hour ago, sagnam said:

Calling the timeout at 32 seconds means Detroit will call a timeout after the 3rd down play if it’s not incomplete and have 20+ seconds to get into field goal range. That’s terrible clock management. Calling that timeout at 20 seconds is actually a viable option, but if you let it run to 20 your plan is clearly to run it down and use the timeout after 3rd down. There was no warning sign at 20 seconds that Caleb was going rogue.  I’m so confused why we can use hindsight to bury the coach. If Caleb and looked at him and said F your play then yeah, Eberflus should have called timeout. That’s not what happened.

Watch the replay. With 20 secs left they were no where near lined up. At that point it had nothing to do with the QB. They weren’t lined or in position, time to use the timeout.  

[TP_Fan]

1 hour ago, sagnam said:

Which is why they didn’t want or need to call a timeout before the 3rd down play. With the timeout in their pocket the whole field is in play, with none Detroit guards sidelines and the end zone.

Yes. And if the ball is snapped in a reasonable time that’s all food.  But 12 secs went off the clock with no one in position. You cloud has the timeout then and still have time to hit the middle of the field a fire drill or a side line out and full play clock to kick the field goal.  The coach failed.  Every last person talking football on any platform blamed Eberflus.  He got fired for it. It was on him. No one else. 

[TP_Fan]

57 minutes ago, sagnam said:

What happened really is no different than the 12 second dancing around. Caleb took 26 seconds to line up and snap the ball and then ran a different play than the one called that took longer than 6 seconds. Look at how many stupid mistakes Williams had to make to blow this game. It’s actually wild then he’s not being lambasted. The level of incompetence is staggering.

Dude he is a rookie and his coach had a timeout. Have some perspective.  

[TP_Fan]

Multiple bears players in the post game interviews were asking why they didn’t fall a timeout. 

[holygoat]

2 hours ago, sagnam said:

If the Lions were in the same situation and Dan called timeout at 10 seconds y’all would be livid.

I'd be livid that Goff didn't get a play off in 26 seconds to preserve the T-O, but relieved that Campbell called it to figure out what to do with the final 10 seconds. Not sure how others would feel, nor do I care.

[sagnam]

Curious who y’all think is responsible for the Raiders not getting a FG try?

[4hzglory]

6 hours ago, TP_Fan said:

Watch the replay. With 20 secs left they were no where near lined up. 

This in itself is why it’s mainly on the coach.  It looked like they never ran a 2 minute drill in practice.  Why weren’t they set in 12 seconds?  That part is 100 pct coaching.

 

Willisms shouldn’t have changed the play when he did either, and did enough to put them in that place, but the coaching was awful.

[Hongbit]

3 hours ago, sagnam said:

Curious who y’all think is responsible for the Raiders not getting a FG try?

The refs.  

Yet another terrible end game call that favored the Chiefs.   

[Sports_Freak]

10 hours ago, TP_Fan said:

Yes. And if the ball is snapped in a reasonable time that’s all food.  But 12 secs went off the clock with no one in position. You cloud has the timeout then and still have time to hit the middle of the field a fire drill or a side line out and full play clock to kick the field goal.  The coach failed.  Every last person talking football on any platform blamed Eberflus.  He got fired for it. It was on him. No one else. 

Agreed. Blaming a rookie QB is a cop out. Coaches call timeouts in nearly every game. The Bears meltdown was 100% on the head coach. Shoulda made him walk back to Chicago. 🤣🤣

[Shinzaki]

Lions fired Mooch on Thanksgiving that one year...that was epic.

I think Williams had zero faith in his kicker and perhaps his coach and took it upon himself to go full on glory hog for the win.   

 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Jason_R]

This is a full defense. 

[RandyMarsh]

Also got Carlton Davis who is still questionable and at the very least is going to continue to play with a cast on his hand and Malcolm Rodriguez who is out for the year.

[KnoxP]

5 hours ago, Shinzaki said:

I think Williams had zero faith in his kicker and perhaps his coach and took it upon himself to go full on glory hog for the win.   

 

This aligns with all the commentary and praise Williams received for the prior games using his check downs and not trying to force the big play. Old habits die hard.

It can ultimately be placed on the coach, and can also be Williams doing too. Both can be true.

Edited November 30, 2024 by KnoxP
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[Motown Bombers]

Apparently Gibbs may have posted some of the Lions audibles and protections on social media.

 

[RandyMarsh]

6 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Apparently Gibbs may have posted some of the Lions audibles and protections on social media.

 

Funny I was just coming to post this video I just came across. Campbell definitely was caught off guard by the question didn't seem too thrilled about it, so even though he surely would've found out about it at some point credit to whomever asked the question and made Campbell aware of it so they can make the adjustments asap.

 

[holygoat]

Good lord. 

Jaymo has to be relieved that the heat's on someone else for a change.

[Jason_R]

 

[sagnam]

 

[sagnam]

7 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

 

I hope they submit this to the league for discipline. A player out-of-bounds tripping an opponent should be a big deal.