Red Wings December 2024

[Motor City Sonics]

1 hour ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

Clock has to be ticking on Lalonde

Clock should be ticking on Yzerman too.    

[Shinzaki]

Yzerman over paid for competence with guys like Copp and Compher.  Holl, Gustafsson, Petry were bad signings.

Treading water at .500 gor another couple of years does not sound good

[buddha]

this year is a write off, next year is the key.  that's when you'll have significant cap space, that's when seider and raymond enter their prime and you have the ability to fill key depth roles with up and coming players on ELCs: edvinsson, danielson, kasper, cossa, wallinder/johannson/tuomisto, mazur.

after this year you have two more years of copp and chairot and the buy outs dont look so terrible.

you have a market with heiskennen and marner.

you're likely to have a nice, high pick after this year.

let's see what they can get at the deadline.

so next year is the beginning.  kenny always said it took 10 years to rebuild.  well....the rebuild started in 2019 when yzerman got hired.  were halfway there.  😞

but to all of your points, this year's offseason should make none of us comfortable with who is doing our pro scouting.

[buddha]

And now there is talk of us trading for trouba?

come on steve, youre smarter than that.

[lordstanley]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

And now there is talk of us trading for trouba?

come on steve, youre smarter than that.

Saved By The Ducks. 
 

 

[Shinzaki]

Good...we need to be moving on from pylons, not accumulating more of them

[buddha]

unless they got a pick for him, but i dont know how the wings could fit him unless they gave up salary in return.

maybe we were saved by our own poor cap managament of giving big contracts to mediocre to bad players?

[lordstanley]

Wings trailing Avs 1-0 after 2.

I agree with Buddha that this season is a write-off. With Washington and New Jersey off to great starts, the Wings are already 9 points out of 6th place. 7th and 8th are not as close as it appears, since NYR and Tampa have games in hand and, more importantly, superior rosters.

Maybe the Wings can get a surprise top 5 pick this season, and if they pick that high that player could be an NHLer by the 2026-2027 season.

[buddha]

15 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

Wings trailing Avs 1-0 after 2.

I agree with Buddha that this season is a write-off. With Washington and New Jersey off to great starts, the Wings are already 9 points out of 6th place. 7th and 8th are not as close as it appears, since NYR and Tampa have games in hand and, more importantly, superior rosters.

Maybe the Wings can get a surprise top 5 pick this season, and if they pick that high that player could be an NHLer by the 2026-2027 season.

the real issue is they have to get some lottery luck and get that franchise offensive player.

[buddha]

playing the worst defensive team in the league and the wings have...checks notes....

0 goals.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

playing the worst defensive team in the league and the wings have...checks notes....

0 goals.

and the difference in the game is a PP goal given up. I'm feeling like we are on a death watch for Lalonde at this point. Wings are a team in a rut.

Edited December 8, 2024 by gehringer_2

[lordstanley]

Loss. 2-1 final. 

[buddha]

4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

and the difference in the game is a PP goal given up. I'm feeling like we are on a death watch for Lalonde at this point. Wings are a team in a rut.

i think so too.

but its more a roster issue, imo.  every move they made this offseason has backfired.  every addition to the team has been bad (tarasenko, motte, gustaffson) and every player they moved on from has been good (ghost, walman).

again, whatever former red wing is in charge of nhl scouting deserves to be fired.

i understand the draft.  i even understand that the average time for a second round pick to make the nhl is 4 to 5 years, so were right on the timeline for our bevy of so-called failed second rounders to make it soon.  but to let walman and ghost and even perron go to sign this group has been the difference between last year almost making the playoffs and this year being a surefire lottery team.

[Motor City Sonics]

2 hours ago, lordstanley said:

Wings trailing Avs 1-0 after 2.

I agree with Buddha that this season is a write-off. With Washington and New Jersey off to great starts, the Wings are already 9 points out of 6th place. 7th and 8th are not as close as it appears, since NYR and Tampa have games in hand and, more importantly, superior rosters.

Maybe the Wings can get a surprise top 5 pick this season, and if they pick that high that player could be an NHLer by the 2026-2027 season.

Yzerman got lucky with Tampa Bay.    

[buddha]

8 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Yzerman got lucky with Tampa Bay.    

he had two top 2 picks: stamkos and hedman.

and then was able to rip off the caps for a third difference maker and drafted vasilevski in round one.

braden poynt was lucky, everything else wasnt.

we'll see if cossa turns into vasilesvski.  but he hasnt had a top two pick here.  that's the real diffrlerence.

[lordstanley]

20 minutes ago, buddha said:

he had two top 2 picks: stamkos and hedman.

and then was able to rip off the caps for a third difference maker and drafted vasilevski in round one.

braden poynt was lucky, everything else wasnt.

we'll see if cossa turns into vasilesvski.  but he hasnt had a top two pick here.  that's the real diffrlerence.

And the 2019-2022 drafts didn’t yield superstars at the top. The only person from near the top of those four drafts that could reach the level or Hedman or Stamkos is Jack Hughes picked #1 in 2019. #2 picks those 4 years were Kakko, Byfield, Beniers and Nemec. Seider-Raymond-Edvinsson-Kaspar is a better collection than that. Heck it might be better collection than #1 picks Jack Hughes-Lafreniere-Power-Slafkosky. So I can’t fault Yzerman for his 1st rounders, that’s one thing he seems to have gotten right. 

[Motor City Sonics]

29 minutes ago, buddha said:

he had two top 2 picks: stamkos and hedman.

and then was able to rip off the caps for a third difference maker and drafted vasilevski in round one.

braden poynt was lucky, everything else wasnt.

we'll see if cossa turns into vasilesvski.  but he hasnt had a top two pick here.  that's the real diffrlerence.

Well, another 3 years in the minors and maybe Cossa will be ready.  

[slothfacekilla]

Put in Cossa you cowards

[lordstanley]

34 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

Put in Cossa you cowards

Exactly, what is the point of bringing of him to ride the pine for Husso of all people. 

3-2 Sabres tonight after 1.

[slothfacekilla]

Hey they did it!  Berggren lets his man walk in right by him with little resistance to put in a rebound for a goal against for Cossa.  Welcome to the team!

[lordstanley]

Since I typed this, I see Cossa has been brought to start the 2nd. Has played 5:19, seen 7 shots, allowed 1 goal.

[slothfacekilla]

Feel like Cossa could have had the second goal scored on him but it was still more so the defense in front of him looking god awful

[slothfacekilla]

Think it's time to turn this off I don't need to see more of the wings pk

[lordstanley]

19 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

Think it's time to turn this off I don't need to see more of the wings pk

I think the Wings missed the window to fire Lalonde. 1/3 of the way into the season it would already be too little too late. 
 

[lordstanley]

Two Copp goals in one game?!  Wings still trail though, 5-4 with 6 minutes to go in regulation.