Red Wings December 2024

[Shinzaki]

On 12/21/2024 at 8:01 PM, buddha said:

according to srs, the worst three red wings teams of all time were 85-86, 19-20, and 76-77.

85-86 was the year yzerman got hurt and missed almost the whole year.

Each of those teams was horrible in its own way but the first two saw marked improvements the following season with a return to the playoffs.   So 2019-20 gets the nod as the worst because we're still trying to dig out of it.

Worth noting that new coaches took over in 77/78 and 86/87.  Yet another reason to fire Newsey 

[buddha]

1 hour ago, Shinzaki said:

Each of those teams was horrible in its own way but the first two saw marked improvements the following season with a return to the playoffs.   So 2019-20 gets the nod as the worst because we're still trying to dig out of it.

Worth noting that new coaches took over in 77/78 and 86/87.  Yet another reason to fire Newsey 

those improvements were not because those teams were on an upswing.  the 86/87 improvement was simply the wings getting yzerman back for a full season.  

the 77/78 improvement was a complete fluke as the team totally tanked for the next 5 years until they drafted yzerman.

what all of those seasons may have in common is that you're not really going to compete without at least one superstar forward in his prime and the red wings right now dont have one and arent in a place to get one without losing out this year and/or spending big this summer.

[buddha]

it will be an interesting thought experiment to look back in 10 years on this team and wonder whether they should have traded larkin in his prime.

we'll never know what the offers would have been, but the market for a captain who could step in as a 2C on a stanley cup contender would probably be really high.  

since that time he has had a couple almost ppg seasons all while playing special teams, good defense, and being a good locker room guy.  however, he may have peaked already and he has had a couple injuries that were pretty serious.

the wear and tear may finally be getting to him because he has not been as good this year as in the past.  at least not to my eye test.

[slothfacekilla]

Saw some random tweet say Wallinder called up but the account seems suspect

[lordstanley]

50 minutes ago, buddha said:

those improvements were not because those teams were on an upswing.  the 86/87 improvement was simply the wings getting yzerman back for a full season.  

the 77/78 improvement was a complete fluke as the team totally tanked for the next 5 years until they drafted yzerman.

what all of those seasons may have in common is that you're not really going to compete without at least one superstar forward in his prime and the red wings right now dont have one and arent in a place to get one without losing out this year and/or spending big this summer.

The ‘77-‘78 is what got me into the Wings. In fact I can nail down to the minute the moment I became a Wings fan. Coming home from hockey practice, 9 years old, my dad went into Mac’s Milk to pick up a few things, and left the car running with the radio on with the lowly Wings nursing a 2-1 lead late over the mighty 2-time defending Cup champs Montreal Canadiens. The crowd was into it, Bruce Martyn & Sid Abel were excited, and I suddenly found myself invested in the outcome.  The Wings ended up giving up a goal with 16 seconds to go for a tie, but I was hooked. A new coach did seem to be key to the Wings’ bounce that season. Ted Lindsay and his “Aggressive Hockey Is Back In Town” slogan energized the fanbase - I even bought the t-shirt. Bill Lochead’s playoff series winning goal against Atlanta that next spring is the great forgotten goal of Red Wings history. Of course it all went to pot that summer with the Rogie Vachon-Dale McCourt-Marcel Dionne fiasco.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/197710200DET.html

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/250882-the-dale-mccourt-saga-the-beginning-of-the-end-of-team-loyalty

[buddha]

i still remember falling asleep at night listening to bruce martyn on the radio.

lots of randy ladoceour, reed larson, and john ogrodnick.  early 80s.  pre-yzerman days.

[buddha]

wallinder called up for tonight.

[buddha]

they called up wallinder to sit in the press box.  nice.  who wouldnt rather watch gustafson play?

[buddha]

tarasenko is so worthless.  he has an easy clear and instead of half asses it and the blues keep it in, pass it around, and then score.

abaolutely worthless.

[buddha]

this is getting embarassing.  i'm not sure how lalonde can survive this.

[buddha]

outshot 18-9.  down 3-0.  booed off the ice after 2.

the only reason its only 18-9 is because the blues cant shoot straight.

[lordstanley]

And I thought the Blues were having a disappointing year. 

[buddha]

booed off the ice.  4-0.  horrible game.

[buddha]

5th worst record in the league.

good thing they didnt play wallinder tonight, you wouldnt want him to make a mistake that might cost them the game...

[lordstanley]

On 12/1/2024 at 11:16 AM, lordstanley said:

Some scheduling relief this month,  but no game should be considered easy for this season’s Wings.

 

So the “tough schedule” of October wasn’t the issue. “Schedule relief” this month has led to a December record to date of …3-6-2, for 8 points in 11 games. 

[Motor City Sonics]

44 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

So the “tough schedule” of October wasn’t the issue. “Schedule relief” this month has led to a December record to date of …3-6-2, for 8 points in 11 games. 

Doesn't seem to be any urgency on or off the ice.       Just a throwaway season.      Is that what you want to sell to your season ticket holders?     Sick of waiting.  No excuse for this.  Everyone should be on the hot seat.  Absolutely everyone. 

[buddha]

we are where we are because of ken holland in 2015-2019 and the wings' pro scouting department in 2022-2024.

a deadly combination.  seems obvious that hiring the old red wings' boys club has not added much to the team.  lidstrom, draper, cleary, fischer (especially draper since he's in charge of amateur scouting and they havent had a pick outside of round one hit in 5 years), all their pro scouts.  i'm not sure how anyone in charge of signing tarasenko, gustafson, chairot, motte, etc still jave jobs.  holl?  rasmussen extension?  

i dont want to see them fire lalonde in season because the best thing for this team will be a total tank followed by a top 5-ish pick.  but he's a dead man walking.  no way he survives this season.

bring on a top 5 pick and larianov as coach.

[Motor City Sonics]

12 minutes ago, buddha said:

we are where we are because of ken holland in 2015-2019 and the wings' pro scouting department in 2022-2024.

a deadly combination.  seems obvious that hiring the old red wings' boys club has not added much to the team.  lidstrom, draper, cleary, fischer (especially draper since he's in charge of amateur scouting and they havent had a pick outside of round one hit in 5 years), all their pro scouts.  i'm not sure how anyone in charge of signing tarasenko, gustafson, chairot, motte, etc still jave jobs.  holl?  rasmussen extension?  

i dont want to see them fire lalonde in season because the best thing for this team will be a total tank followed by a top 5-ish pick.  but he's a dead man walking.  no way he survives this season.

bring on a top 5 pick and larianov as coach.

You say that hiring the old red wings boys club had failed, but you want Larianov to come coach?   Has he coached before? 

[buddha]

6 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

You say that hiring the old red wings boys club had failed, but you want Larianov to come coach?   Has he coached before? 

true.

i dont know, he's been talked up very recently by some non-red wings as a great head coach prospect   currently coaching in russia.

[Toddwert]

18 hours ago, buddha said:

i still remember falling asleep at night listening to bruce martyn on the radio.

lots of randy ladoceour, reed larson, and john ogrodnick.  early 80s.  pre-yzerman days.

that was me in the later 80's Bruce Martyn is my Ernie his voice just screams Hockey to me... I know he retired up in Gaylord and did some high school hockey games

[lordstanley]

[oblong]

Merry Christmas. 

[Hongbit]

 Didn’t see The Toddfather as the choice but he’s great with young teams and taking them to the playoffs.   His record once he gets them there is another thing but that’s down the road. 

His system is a defensive oriented 1-3-1.  It will be interesting to see how quickly this group can get adjusted.  

Edited December 26, 2024 by Hongbit

[slothfacekilla]

Lets go I love it, always liked Todd as a coach and hopefully they can get a good run of seasons from him.

[lordstanley]

Lalonde had to go. Fine with McLellan. Wish this had been done a month ago. Think the problem is the roster at least as much as coaching.