buddha Posted January 7 Posted January 7 3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: They were complaining about a play as it was going on. Crying their guy was being held. Did they comment on all the delay of game penalties that were ignored? Homers... all the vikings fans have done since that game is cry about the refs. its what loser teams do. its what we used to do all the time when the refs ACTUALLY ****ed us. the viqueens just got their asses beat by a more physical team and then whined about it like bitches. its not like they were in dallas watching the refs cheat over and over again. 1 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted January 7 Posted January 7 5 hours ago, buddha said: all the vikings fans have done since that game is cry about the refs. its what loser teams do. its what we used to do all the time when the refs ACTUALLY ****ed us. the viqueens just got their asses beat by a more physical team and then whined about it like bitches. its not like they were in dallas watching the refs cheat over and over again. There were at least 5 Viking delay of game penalties ignored. And it's not like a close game loss. Like you said, the Lions kicked their ass. A 22 point loss... Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted January 7 Author Posted January 7 I haven’t forgotten that radio crew’s call of Brett Favre choking away a playoff game. “This is not Detroit, this is the Super Bowl!” Well you just got to see Detroit, and you can’t beat them either in a game that matters! Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted January 7 Posted January 7 13 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: I haven’t forgotten that radio crew’s call of Brett Favre choking away a playoff game. “This is not Detroit, this is the Super Bowl!” Well you just got to see Detroit, and you can’t beat them either in a game that matters! Anyone remember the Minnesota/Detroit game with the FOX announcers who didn't know what was going on. Said Golden Tate was a Viking and Norv Turner was a Lions coach. Anyone remember that? People called out the announcer (Mike Goldberg) on Twitter and he responded with some very colorful language and never did a game again. https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/mike-goldberg-nfl-on-fox-play-by-play-broadcast-debut.html Quote
oblong Posted January 7 Posted January 7 38 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: Anyone remember the Minnesota/Detroit game with the FOX announcers who didn't know what was going on. Said Golden Tate was a Viking and Norv Turner was a Lions coach. Anyone remember that? People called out the announcer (Mike Goldberg) on Twitter and he responded with some very colorful language and never did a game again. https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/mike-goldberg-nfl-on-fox-play-by-play-broadcast-debut.html is that the same guy who did the Wings for a year in 1996-1997 after Dave Strader left and before we got Ken Daniels? He almost ruined the Lemeiux/McCarty fight. "oh my goodness!" like he never saw a fight at a hockey game and was freaking out. Quote
holygoat Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Every team-employed PBP guy is a massive homer. It's literally part of the job description. Just enjoy their misery, because if you're a Lions fan, you've absolutely earned the right to do that. Quote
holygoat Posted January 7 Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, oblong said: is that the same guy who did the Wings for a year in 1996-1997 after Dave Strader left and before we got Ken Daniels? He almost ruined the Lemeiux/McCarty fight. "oh my goodness!" like he never saw a fight at a hockey game and was freaking out. Yep. A rare misstep by the Wings of that era, bringing in a guy who had clearly never called a lot of hockey to be the lead announcer of a championship contending team. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 10 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: They were complaining about a play as it was going on. Crying their guy was being held. Did they comment on all the delay of game penalties that were ignored? Homers... I thought they meant a Lions player was being held. 🤷♂️ Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Regarding the delayed or not called delay of game penalties. I saw a couple of stories about solutions. My favorite is wire the goalposts to light up when time expires on the play clock. That way the refs don't have to constantly keep one eye on the snap and the other on the clock. Either that or sound the horn when the P-C expires. 1 Quote
RedRamage Posted January 7 Posted January 7 19 hours ago, chasfh said: Would you risk Hutch on the Super Bowl? Remember, he will not have played since early mid-October, nearly four months since live game action, so he may be less than sharp. And, of course, his newly-healed bones would be more at risk in February than starting next July. And we'll have Anzalone and Montgomery and probably Barnes back. So, stronger than we are now. If you're HC, do you risk Hutch coming back green for the Super Bowl? Bpnus question: if you're a Lions' fan, do you believe the chances Gamblin' Dan starts Hutch in the Super Bowl is any less than 100%? I think it's going to depend on a LOT of questions that we won't ever have the answers to: 1. What do the Doctor's say about the health/strength of his bone? If the docs give the okay... if they say it's as strong as it was or will be, then proceed. If they are iffy... if they are saying that it's only 85% (or less) back to full strength, then you probably have to not play him. 2. What is Hutch's conditioning like? Is he in game shape? Has he been able to work on conditioning for a few weeks? Has he been able to practice in pads? Has he been able to hit people and get hit himself for at least a week before the game? If he's not cleared to practice until like 3 days before the game, then he's not going to be contributing and shouldn't be playing. 3. What's the state of the defense leading up to the SB? If they've been playing well then the need for Hutch is reduced, but if they've just been getting by (or worse) then maybe you lean more towards getting Hutch in there. As for your bonus question: I don't think Gamblin' Dan really gambles too much on player health. He was a player himself so he knows the mentality but I also think he's smart enough to know that they have to listen to the Docs. If he's not physically ready, Campbell will not play him. However, if he's physically ready... even if he's only been able to have limited practice leading up to the SB, I think Campbell will do his best to at least get Hutch in the game a few times. No one is more aware than Campbell is about the lack of certainty in the game. While I don't think this is the case, this may be the only SB Hutch gets a chance to play in (obviously assuming we get to the SB) and Campbell will want him to have had a chance to play, even if it's just a few times on third down passing plays. 1 Quote
RedRamage Posted January 7 Posted January 7 15 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: Rewatching the game and props, big props, to Brock Wright for hustling after Gibbs on a big run he busted in the 4th quarter with 9:26 remaining. Gibbs fumbled at the end of the run and Brock showed some heads up play and hustle with his recovery. Pretty huge play. Without taking anything away from Brock, I think Gibbs was down before the ball came out. It seemed like it bounced out after he landed on his back. There isn't a great angle on replay so it's hard to tell for sure. Either way, it's a non issue because of Brock. Even if he did fumble, Brock was there to scoop it so it didn't matter. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Vikings fans aren't taking this well. The best line I've read is that Kevin O'Connell is the Kirk Cousins of head coaches and that may be the most accurate thing a Vikings fan has ever said. 1 Quote
oblong Posted January 7 Posted January 7 55 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Regarding the delayed or not called delay of game penalties. I saw a couple of stories about solutions. My favorite is wire the goalposts to light up when time expires on the play clock. That way the refs don't have to constantly keep one eye on the snap and the other on the clock. Either that or sound the horn when the P-C expires. what does the rulebook say? Seems like somethig you could easily fix in a matter of a few seconds. Ask for an official review and get the right call. Is it at zero or is it at zero -1? I'm not being sarcastic, I don't really know. To me, logically if it's not snapped when you see a zero, then it's a violation. Is what we see on TV the official clock? It's 2025, it shouldn't be like this. This is not a gray area. In sports there are a lot of gray areas so for the ones where there's not it should be as perfect as possible. 1 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted January 7 Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, oblong said: what does the rulebook say? Seems like somethig you could easily fix in a matter of a few seconds. Ask for an official review and get the right call. Is it at zero or is it at zero -1? I'm not being sarcastic, I don't really know. To me, logically if it's not snapped when you see a zero, then it's a violation. Is what we see on TV the official clock? It's 2025, it shouldn't be like this. This is not a gray area. In sports there are a lot of gray areas so for the ones where there's not it should be as perfect as possible. I don't know what the rule book officially states, but refs are supposed to watch the clock, and when it hits zero, then look to see if the ball has been snapped. There is a delay between hitting zero and snapping the ball that is built in. Quote
oblong Posted January 7 Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I don't know what the rule book officially states, but refs are supposed to watch the clock, and when it hits zero, then look to see if the ball has been snapped. There is a delay between hitting zero and snapping the ball that is built in. that's the gray area then. Seems like you could do both at the same time. Are they holding one of those 60 minutes stop watches or something? I like the idea of the goalposts lighting up. The backboard in the NBA does that. 1 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted January 7 Posted January 7 1 minute ago, oblong said: that's the gray area then. Seems like you could do both at the same time. Are they holding one of those 60 minutes stop watches or something? I like the idea of the goalposts lighting up. The backboard in the NBA does that. I believe they are looking at the clock in the stadium. So when that clock hits zero, they are supposed to then look at the ball and see if it's snapped. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 7 Posted January 7 7 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I believe they are looking at the clock in the stadium. So when that clock hits zero, they are supposed to then look at the ball and see if it's snapped. And that wastes what another second or so by the time they look at the clock, check the snap and throw the flag. It's 2025 not 1975, tie the goalpost or buzzer to the time lock to the snap lock. There's enough other stuff going on during the play to keep the refs occupied Quote
Shelton Posted January 7 Posted January 7 I think the gray area for the play clock and delay of game is fine. Like the strike zone in baseball or the myriad other calls in football and other sports that require some degree of judgment. I think the mechanics of the snap requires there to be some gray area, and it’s not something you could reasonably police in real time with a light or buzzer. It’s not basketball where you can have a reasonably objective and clear determine of when the ball has left the shooter’s hand. You can get that from a still image. 1 Quote
KnoxP Posted January 7 Posted January 7 9 hours ago, buddha said: all the vikings fans have done since that game is cry about the refs. its what loser teams do. its what we used to do all the time when the refs ACTUALLY ****ed us. the viqueens just got their asses beat by a more physical team and then whined about it like bitches. its not like they were in dallas watching the refs cheat over and over again. Seems they got used to being beneficiaries of PI calls. Saw that stat where they have received 2nd most (I think) yards due to PI calls. ANY physical play then, as our DB's did, deserves the call in their minds. Calls not made...whine... Quote
KnoxP Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Shelton said: I think the gray area for the play clock and delay of game is fine. Like the strike zone in baseball or the myriad other calls in football and other sports that require some degree of judgment. I think the mechanics of the snap requires there to be some gray area, and it’s not something you could reasonably police in real time with a light or buzzer. It’s not basketball where you can have a reasonably objective and clear determine of when the ball has left the shooter’s hand. You can get that from a still image. I think most accept a moment from 0 to flag. What makes it hard is the inconsistency, which I get is kind of married to 'gray area'. I saw about 3 that were not called and appeared obvious, I called it from my LR with 'time to spare' then 1 they whistled immediately at the zero as if the ref only watched the play clock. I actually think MN snapped the ball. That's the gripe. And of course, we only gripe from a defense perspective. 😉 Edited January 7 by KnoxP Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted January 7 Author Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, KnoxP said: Seems they got used to being beneficiaries of PI calls. Saw that stat where they have received 2nd most (I think) yards due to PI calls. ANY physical play then, as our DB's did, deserves the call in their minds. Calls not made...whine... Meanwhile the Lions finish the regular season as the beneficiary of one pass interference penalty, for five yards. Assuming this resource is correct, that's the fewest by both number and yards since the 2018 Jets (also 1 DPI for 5 yards). Quote
Shelton Posted January 7 Posted January 7 12 minutes ago, KnoxP said: I think most accept a moment from 0 to flag. What makes it hard is the inconsistency, which I get is kind of married to 'gray area'. I saw about 3 that were not called and appeared obvious, I called it from my LR with 'time to spare' then 1 they whistled immediately at the zero as if the ref only watched the play clock. I actually think MN snapped the ball. That's the gripe. And of course, we only gripe from a defense perspective. 😉 Yep. There were multiple instances where I was nervous about a flag being thrown on some of our snaps, too. I’m sure when one gets snapped later than you think is reasonable, the coach will get in the official’s ear and maybe get a quicker whistle later. We see it all the time with other calls, too. And that’s not even considering the plays that aren’t blown dead that result in a good result for the defense because the offense is rushed and the defense knows exactly when the ball is being snapped. Quote
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