KnoxP Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) On 1/1/2025 at 6:50 PM, Jason_R said: If we are ever to get something out of Moseley, now would be the time. Agree! When he was signed, I heard good things. Starter quality. I hope he still has some juice left in the tank. Been thinking he would be an upgrade over Vildor. Maybe Vidor has just outpaced him, not hard to imagine with all Mosley injuries. Edited January 3 by KnoxP Quote
NYLion Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 15 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said: I think it's really easy to just forget (1) how far this defense has come under Glenn, and (2) how good this defense was when the best 11, even the best 10, 9, or 8 players were out there this year. 2021, their defense was led by guys like 31-year-old Michael Brockers, the Okwaras, and Will Harris. It was bad... 2022, it really wasn't much better, but they gained traction with some of the young guys. 2023, they finally starting getting real contributions from the young guys, as well as with additions like Sutton and CJGJ (to a lesser extent). This year was the year where finally the young guys were well developed, you had the veteran additions like CDIII and Davenport, and all the pieces were in place for Glenn to make this a top tier defense in the league. And it was. This year, even after Hutch - who seemed poised to run away with DPOY - got knocked out, they went 12 quarters of football without allowing a touchdown. It has taken body blow after body blow to turn this into a defense that more resembles the 2022 squad, and yet even despite that, they've done enough to win 15/16 games so far this season (they did enough to win the Bucs game and the offense let them down). I don't want to lose either Glenn or Johnson, but I sincerely think losing Glenn would require the larger adjustment next season. He's the mastermind of what made this defense so good to start this year, and this defense is shaped in his vision. I worry that if we have to replace him with a guy with different vision and different scheme, there will be some guys who have been molded by Glenn into hard nosed physical square pegs being shoved into round holes. Whereas with Johnson, I think this offense is as much Campbell's identity as it is Johnson's. I'm not worried about losing either coordinator tbh. This is arguably the best roster in the league led by one of the best coaches in terms of leaders and football smarts in the league. This isn't a roster that's propped up by their coordinators in the least so I'm sure Brad and Dan have a proper succession plan in place. With Brad continuing to piece together the roster and Dan coaching it, I truly believe they can plug anybody remotely competent into the coordinator roles and this team won't miss a beat. The biggest inhibitor to long long term success is the salary cap and not enough cap to keep all the players but with the way the Lions draft I'm not too worried about that either. This is trending to be a Steelers/Ravens type of franchise with stability and years/decades of success ahead as long as Brad and Dan are steering the ship funded by Sheila and led by Spielman. Edited January 3 by NYLion Quote
RandyMarsh Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Yeah good teams lose a coordinator(s) virtually every year and nobody ever bats an eye at it, yet with the Lions for some reason people treat it like it's a death sentence. It's like nobody wants to accept that the Lions have a great roster, GM and Head Coach. They have to think of some reason why it's all gonna come crashing down and since the coordinators aren't going to be here long term they have to point to that. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Nobody had ever heard of Ben Johnson like prior to 2022. He's never ran an offense without Goff. The Lions will likely stay in house at coordinator and run the same offense. I don't think people realize how much input Goff has on the offense. I also don't think people realize that Campbell is a good X's and O's coach and is smarter than given credit for. Remember, he called the plays at the end of 2021 when Goff started to play better. Quote
NYLion Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Not just Goff but Sewell, Ragnow, Decker, Zeitler, Glasgow, Montgomery, Gibbs, St. Brown, Jamo, Patrick, LaPorta etc. The Lions are loaded with talent and guys who live and breathe football. Even on defense when healthy they're loaded with talent and, the same, guys that are all about football and buy in. Hell, they even have an elite kicker now. Any reasonable football mind would do big things with all that talent so while there may be a small hit with Ben and AG leaving as they adjust schemes with them gone, I don't see it derailing this team at all. Quote
RedRamage Posted January 3 Posted January 3 On 1/2/2025 at 12:36 PM, Sports_Freak said: It's a big stage for the untested Darnold. My big hope is he chokes. Meanwhile, Goff has been battle tested and has mostly had success. That's my hope/story and I'm sticking to it. Honestly, if Darnold hasn't choked yet I don't think it's going to happen. Even if his two loses he didn't play bad. 22/27, 1 TD, 1 INT against the Lions and 18/25, 2 TD, 0 INT against the Rams. I don't think it's likely that our banged and bruised defense is going to get pressure on Darnold. This is going to be a high scoring game. Quote
RedRamage Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said: Yeah good teams lose a coordinator(s) virtually every year and nobody ever bats an eye at it, yet with the Lions for some reason people treat it like it's a death sentence. It's like nobody wants to accept that the Lions have a great roster, GM and Head Coach. They have to think of some reason why it's all gonna come crashing down and since the coordinators aren't going to be here long term they have to point to that. Its hard to blame Lions fans for fearing that crash though. We've be disappointed for decades... it takes a while to not wonder when the next shoe is dropping. And speaking specifically of coordinators... we have NO experience with having a successful coordinator getting poached by another team. I mean look at this list... I don't think there is a single name here who was hired away from the Lions: You have to go all the way back to 1962 when Shula was our DC and the Baltimore Colts hired him away as their HC. I dare say most of us weren't even alive back then, let alone avidly following the Lions. (In case you're curious: Since then the closest we came to losing a guy was Darrell Bevell who got hired as the Bills coach, but he wasn't really poached as he wasn't coming back to the Lions as OC after serving as interim HC after Patricia was fired. Correcting myself after Tater pointed out my error: Since then the closest we came was when our DC was was "Richard" Jauron. He was elevated to interim HC after Mariucci was fired and wasn't coming back.) Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted January 3 Posted January 3 13 minutes ago, RedRamage said: Its hard to blame Lions fans for fearing that crash though. We've be disappointed for decades... it takes a while to not wonder when the next shoe is dropping. And speaking specifically of coordinators... we have NO experience with having a successful coordinator getting poached by another team. I mean look at this list... I don't think there is a single name here who was hired away from the Lions: You have to go all the way back to 1962 when Shula was our DC and the Baltimore Colts hired him away as their HC. I dare say most of us weren't even alive back then, let alone avidly following the Lions. (In case you're curious: Since then the closest we came to losing a guy was Darrell Bevell who got hired as the Bills coach, but he wasn't really poached as he wasn't coming back to the Lions as OC after serving as interim HC after Patricia was fired.) Duck Jauron was the only Lions HC, and he was an interim HC, to be hired as a HC somewhere else. It was Jauron that coached the Bills not Bevell. 1 Quote
RedRamage Posted January 3 Posted January 3 19 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Duck Jauron was the only Lions HC, and he was an interim HC, to be hired as a HC somewhere else. It was Jauron that coached the Bills not Bevell. D'oh! I knew that too. I don't know why I got that mixed up. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: Nobody had ever heard of Ben Johnson like prior to 2022. He's never ran an offense without Goff. The Lions will likely stay in house at coordinator and run the same offense. I don't think people realize how much input Goff has on the offense. I also don't think people realize that Campbell is a good X's and O's coach and is smarter than given credit for. Remember, he called the plays at the end of 2021 when Goff started to play better. Johnson was an assistant coach for the Dolphins 2012-2018 before coming to the Lions in 2019. I'm sure someone would have had an inkling about this guy during that time. Not that they knew he was the offensive genius he seems to be now. It's just a matter of being in the right situation at the right time 1 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted January 3 Posted January 3 7 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Johnson was an assistant coach for the Dolphins 2012-2018 before coming to the Lions in 2019. I'm sure someone would have had an inkling about this guy during that time. Not that they knew he was the offensive genius he seems to be now. It's just a matter of being in the right situation at the right time I meant more the fans who want him as their head coach so bad. I'm sure he was known in league circles. I've read that Zac Taylor tried to poach him to the Bengals before the Lions promoted him. Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted January 3 Posted January 3 I remember thinking how good Teryl Austin was and he did have a good record. I mean any Lions stretch that goes 36-28 between 1959 and 2022 is pretty impressive. I remember we all thought he'd be a Head Coach one day. He's still a DC. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Anzalone and Raymond are questionable. Neither is ruled out, so I think they both play. Moseley is ruled out with an illness. It's one thing after another with this guy. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted January 3 Posted January 3 16 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Anzalone and Raymond are questionable. Neither is ruled out, so I think they both play. Moseley is ruled out with an illness. It's one thing after another with this guy. Moseley is a rare FA bust for Holmes. I'm sure he won't be here next season. I mean, in 2 years, he's played 4 defensive snaps? Time to move on. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 minute ago, Sports_Freak said: Moseley is a rare FA bust for Holmes. I'm sure he won't be here next season. I mean, in 2 years, he's played 4 defensive snaps? Time to move on. I wouldn't call him a bust. He had injuries in San Francisco. That's why he was signed to a 1 year contract. he was brought back on another 1 year near league minimum deal. Holmes likes to take those kind of flyers on players. Anzalone fell into that bucket as well. He had an injury history with the Saints and the Lions brought him in originally on a cheap 1 year deal and he has for the most part stayed healthy. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted January 3 Posted January 3 34 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Johnson was an assistant coach for the Dolphins 2012-2018 before coming to the Lions in 2019. I'm sure someone would have had an inkling about this guy during that time. Not that they knew he was the offensive genius he seems to be now. It's just a matter of being in the right situation at the right time Designing plays is one thing, having players that can execute them is another. Most of his tricks plays wouldn't work without players who are all in on the game plan. It would set the Lions back, trying to find both an offensive and defensive coordinator. Give them both blank checks and a Ford Dealership to stay. 🤣🤣 Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted January 3 Author Posted January 3 Moseley’s salary accounts for about 1.1% of the cap. Not a bust, just a swing for the fences that missed. It’s not like he paid Jonah Jackson $51 million only to bench him midway through the season. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Holmes has been good at knowing which free agents to let walk. Fun fact: the Lions drafted Kerby Joseph with the comp pick they got for letting Golladay walk. Quote
lordstanley Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) https://champsorchumps.us/records/best-nfl-regular-season-records#tab-most-wins The winner of Sunday's Lions-Vikings game will become the 9th team to win at least 15 games in an NFL regular season. Of course 7 of the other 8 had to do it with just 16 games. 14 win seasons are less rare but still special. I count 20 current franchises (and the extinct Frankford Yellow Jackets who are linked to but separate from the Philadelphia Eagles) with at least one 14-win season, which would mean 12 current NFL franchises have never had a team win 14 or more games in a regular season. The 14+ winners, which has been done 36 times, are New England (5x), San Francisco (4), Kansas City (3), Chicago (2), Minnesota (2), Pittsburgh (2), Miami (2), Indianapolis (2), Washington (2) and the following with one each: Carolina, Green Bay, Frankford, Atlanta, Baltimore, Denver, Detroit, Jacksonville, New York Giants, San Diego Chargers, St. Louis Rams and Philadelphia. I spot a couple of times where a 14-2 team was not the conference's #1 seed (Atlanta 1998, New England 2004) but both at least won their division and both ended up getting to the Super Bowl. Edited January 3 by lordstanley 1 1 Quote
Hongbit Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Lions 38 Vikings 35 Bates at the buzzer for the division and the 1. Quote
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