Red Wings January 2025

[slothfacekilla]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

IDK anything specific either other than that according to the Griffin's home page he's on the roster and has played in some games.

Looks like he's been pretty solid so far which is awesome for him.  I honestly had written him off.

[Hongbit]

2 hours ago, slothfacekilla said:

I would imagine the argument is that it is more beneficial for him to get experience being THE guy against pro players every game, including carrying that into the playoffs.  Having him sitting for ~9 games a month probably isn't super ideal.  Also, they may feel that he still has things to work on in his game.  If you're trying to get him to focus on something specifically it probably is better in the AHL where the focus is more on developing rather than the NHL where the games "count".  I'm not sure where I land on the debate, it could be beneficial for him to get NHL experience but I also don't watch a ton of Grand Rapids so I couldn't say if he's truly ready.  I'm fine with them not rushing him in the end I think.  I think next season will be when he makes more NHL starts with Husso and Lyon hitting free agency.

Cossa also missed some games down in Grand Rapids recently so he may be getting over an injury.  Lyon is also joining the team again, so this Husso start is hopefully just a blip because of the injury.  Better to yoyo Husso than Cossa.

Goalies and their development are weird.  They all start out with talent and success before getting drafted.  Some peak early, some late, and some not all.   Very few of them nowadays are good from the get go and stay that way throughout their career.    Many cases of  Vezina winners one year and barely holding onto a job two years later. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

2 hours ago, slothfacekilla said:

I would imagine the argument is that it is more beneficial for him to get experience being THE guy against pro players every game, including carrying that into the playoffs.  Having him sitting for ~9 games a month probably isn't super ideal.  Also, they may feel that he still has things to work on in his game.  If you're trying to get him to focus on something specifically it probably is better in the AHL where the focus is more on developing rather than the NHL where the games "count".  I'm not sure where I land on the debate, it could be beneficial for him to get NHL experience but I also don't watch a ton of Grand Rapids so I couldn't say if he's truly ready.  I'm fine with them not rushing him in the end I think.  I think next season will be when he makes more NHL starts with Husso and Lyon hitting free agency.

Cossa also missed some games down in Grand Rapids recently so he may be getting over an injury.  Lyon is also joining the team again, so this Husso start is hopefully just a blip because of the injury.  Better to yoyo Husso than Cossa.

If Cossa isn't on the main roster next year then I guess I'll start to worry more. He's still only 22 as of now and won't hit 23 until next season, so I suppose I'm fine with him getting more seasoning in Grand Rapids. I just don't want this turning into another Ken Holland situation where we keep playing useless veterans players (Husso) over him because our GM prefers playing vets and trying to win now versus letting a young player make his mistake but grow from them. 

[gehringer_2]

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

If Cossa isn't on the main roster next year then I guess I'll start to worry more. He's still only 22 as of now and won't hit 23 until next season, so I suppose I'm fine with him getting more seasoning in Grand Rapids. I just don't want this turning into another Ken Holland situation where we keep playing useless veterans players (Husso) over him because our GM prefers playing vets and trying to win now versus letting a young player make his mistake but grow from them. 

Yeah - I'm not sure every guy has to be a totally finished product when they come up, talent can still be an improvement over the status quo even if it's still growing. That said, in the game he started for the Wings it looked like he hadn't quite developed an NHL level sense of positioning - he found himself wandering too far from the net a couple of times - pretty much the kind of thing that experience should fix.

[slothfacekilla]

In my opinion, with young goalies there is definitely a delicate balance between letting guys grow from mistakes and hurting their confidence.  It was probably for the best he didn't experience Lalonde's defenses for extended periods of time.

What I'm hoping for is that he finishes a great AHL season this year, and then he has a great playoffs for Grand Rapids.  He starts backing up Talbot next season, maybe eventually working into a 1B situation.

If they re-sign Husso at all then I'll lose my mind....

[Hongbit]

12 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

If Cossa isn't on the main roster next year then I guess I'll start to worry more. He's still only 22 as of now and won't hit 23 until next season, so I suppose I'm fine with him getting more seasoning in Grand Rapids. I just don't want this turning into another Ken Holland situation where we keep playing useless veterans players (Husso) over him because our GM prefers playing vets and trying to win now versus letting a young player make his mistake but grow from them. 

Before you worry, remember that this may not even all be about Cossa.  Stevie is super conservative and old school with young players.   

[Mr.TaterSalad]

2 hours ago, Hongbit said:

Before you worry, remember that this may not even all be about Cossa.  Stevie is super conservative and old school with young players.   

So was Kenny and it became a detriment to this team and the players development. Gustav Nyquist was 24 years old and Kenny had him in Grand Rapids to start the 2012-2013 season. Tomas Tatar was 23 and Kenny had him starting that season sitting in the press box. This was all so Kenny could play the likes of Dan Clearly, Mikael Samuelsson, and Todd Bertuzzi.

I guess my concern is that Yzerman would rather play Lyon, Talbot, and possibly Husso and not give Cossa the NHL game time he needs for his development. I'll continue to be as patient and positive as I possibly can be.

[slothfacekilla]

3 hours ago, Hongbit said:

Before you worry, remember that this may not even all be about Cossa.  Stevie is super conservative and old school with young players.   

Everyone seems to ignore that Raymond made the wings at 19 and Seider at 20.  Marco Kasper is playing at 20.  If they think you're good enough to play in the NHL / don't have specific big things in your game to work on you'll be in the NHL.  It seems like fans don't want to hear it but guys like Edvinsson definitely had stuff to work on in the AHL before becoming full time regulars (and he's a NHL regular playing 20 minutes a game at age 21!!!), putting young guys in the NHL just to do it isn't usually going to be helpful.  Especially for a goalie. So I personally disagree with this notion that Yzerman keeps prospects in the AHL just to do it.

[Hongbit]

It’s very different for picks in the top 10 overall.  If he’s drafting guys this high and they aren’t playing quickly that’s a direct shot at him and the entire organization.   

[buddha]

2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I'll continue to be as patient and positive as I possibly can be.

that's the funniest thing you've said in a while.  🙂

[buddha]

1 hour ago, slothfacekilla said:

Everyone seems to ignore that Raymond made the wings at 19 and Seider at 20.  Marco Kasper is playing at 20.  If they think you're good enough to play in the NHL / don't have specific big things in your game to work on you'll be in the NHL.  It seems like fans don't want to hear it but guys like Edvinsson definitely had stuff to work on in the AHL before becoming full time regulars (and he's a NHL regular playing 20 minutes a game at age 21!!!), putting young guys in the NHL just to do it isn't usually going to be helpful.  Especially for a goalie. So I personally disagree with this notion that Yzerman keeps prospects in the AHL just to do it.

and they tried to bring kasper up much earlier but he broke his kneecap in his first game.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

42 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

It’s very different for picks in the top 10 overall.  If he’s drafting guys this high and they aren’t playing quickly that’s a direct shot at him and the entire organization.   

Cossa was selected just outside the top 10 at #15. So it's not like I'm asking for a 2nd round or later pick to come up and play ASAP. 

[slothfacekilla]

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

It’s very different for picks in the top 10 overall.  If he’s drafting guys this high and they aren’t playing quickly that’s a direct shot at him and the entire organization.   

To me I feel like that just strengthens my point because if you're good enough to play, you will as we've seen with the players I've mentioned.  The better players usually get drafted higher and the lower picks take longer to develop. 

39 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Cossa was selected just outside the top 10 at #15. So it's not like I'm asking for a 2nd round or later pick to come up and play ASAP. 

Sure, but I think it ignores a lot of context surrounding Cossa.  Not every draft crop is the same, so even just a blanket statement like top 15 picks need to play in the NHL within 4 seasons or they're being held back is tough to apply across drafts.  Then when it comes to goalies, even first rounders take longer than skaters in the same pick range.  Askarov was drafted the year before Cossa and he's only now this season getting "regular" NHL time as a backup with 8 games played so far (after starting the season in the AHL).  He was a much more touted goalie than Cossa and drafted slightly higher (11th), and it still took an offseason trade for him to show up in the NHL for an extended period of time mid year. 

[lordstanley]

Cossa will always will be linked with Wallstedt. Wallstedt has played 5 NHL games only. I may have had issues with drafting a goalie #15 overall, but once they did I see a way different timeline than with forwards or even defenceman. I fully expected a 22 year old, even a highly touted one, to still be in the AHL. 

[lordstanley]

Berggren snaps Wings into 1-0 lead midway through 1st period in Florida 

 

Edited Friday at 01:20 AM by lordstanley

[lordstanley]

1-1 with 13 minutes left in 2nd. Florida was a step ahead of the Wongs throughout the 1st. Wings holding their own so far in the 2nd. 

[lordstanley]

ANOTHER power play goal for the Wings. 2-1. 

[lordstanley]

Held the lead for all of 29 seconds. 2-2. 

[lordstanley]

16 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

ANOTHER power play goal for the Wings. 2-1. 

Again! 3-2. PP is lethal. 

 

Edited Friday at 01:35 AM by lordstanley

[lordstanley]

Kasper! Wings are surging. 

 

Edited Friday at 01:44 AM by lordstanley

[lordstanley]

Bobrovsky pulled. 

[lordstanley]

Subban wearing the Wings’ jersey designed for their outdoor game at Columbus later this season. 

[lordstanley]

Impressive. Wings beat the defending Cup champs, on the road, 5-2. Florida was all over the Wings in the 3rd period 23-5 shots on goal) but Talbot stood tall 

[gehringer_2]

Yup. Game they were outplayed for better than half. Two takeaways for me: Johansson made some very good plays standing guys up on Panther rushes. He needs to stay. The other is that the secondary effect of the red hot power play is that teams are not going to want to take penalties against the Wings, and that helps inoculate them some from getting muscled out of some games, which is still always a risk for them. Maybe third was - pretty weak game by Rasmussen. Too many time guys just flew by him on his attempts at the forecheck.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

This might be their biggest and best win all season. To beat a team like Florida 5-2 is impressive.