lordstanley Posted January 24 Author Posted January 24 https://www.nhl.com/news/topic/quarter-century-team/detroit-red-wings-quarter-century-teams Red Wings' "quarter-century team" (2000-2025) named. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 1 hour ago, buddha said: big win. and they dominated the game. looked like a completely different team from the flyers game. Raymond playing at another level. Thought Edvinsson, Johansson and Soderblom all played well. So the the Wings that much better or was Montreal just flat? Tune in Saturday for the next installment of "how high can the Wings fly!" Quote
buddha Posted January 24 Posted January 24 1 hour ago, lordstanley said: https://www.nhl.com/news/topic/quarter-century-team/detroit-red-wings-quarter-century-teams Red Wings' "quarter-century team" (2000-2025) named. the argument would be the goalies. i'd probably put jimmy howard over osgood and hasek for that time period. i know hasek won a cup and osgood did too, but howard played a lot longer than either of them and was pretty good doing it. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 34 minutes ago, buddha said: but howard played a lot longer than either of them and was pretty good doing it. True enough for Hasek, not so much for Ozzie. Osgood appeared in 565 games for the Wings, Howard in 543. Quote
lordstanley Posted January 24 Author Posted January 24 10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: True enough for Hasek, not so much for Ozzie. Osgood appeared in 565 games for the Wings, Howard in 543. But only 170 plus playoffs of those games were from 2000 onwards, which is what this selection covers. Hasek, with 176 plus playoffs, actually played more games with the Wings from 2000 onwards than Osgood. But I think they are the two no-brainers, could even argue they should be flipped. Howard has longevity with 10 seasons with the Wings but he wasn’t as good as them and didn’t have the post-season team glory. Quote
buddha Posted January 24 Posted January 24 13 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: True enough for Hasek, not so much for Ozzie. Osgood appeared in 565 games for the Wings, Howard in 543. the period is only covering the last 25 years. doesnt take ozzie's time in the 90s into account. Quote
buddha Posted January 24 Posted January 24 4 hours ago, lordstanley said: But only 170 plus playoffs of those games were from 2000 onwards, which is what this selection covers. Hasek, with 176 plus playoffs, actually played more games with the Wings from 2000 onwards than Osgood. But I think they are the two no-brainers, could even argue they should be flipped. Howard has longevity with 10 seasons with the Wings but he wasn’t as good as them and didn’t have the post-season team glory. howard's numbers are better than ozzie's 2000 era numbers in every season but one. hasek has better numbers than both but fewer years. depends what you want, i guess. but i wouldnt put ozzie over howard or hasek. i know this has been done to death, but i think ozzie was a solid guy, decent in net, but never a superstar goalie. he got to play behind some of the best teams in the league and some of the best teams in history and that helped him A TON. put him in net when howard completed his career and he's getting shelled, imo. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) 25 minutes ago, buddha said: howard's numbers are better than ozzie's 2000 era numbers in every season but one. hasek has better numbers than both but fewer years. depends what you want, i guess. but i wouldnt put ozzie over howard or hasek. i know this has been done to death, but i think ozzie was a solid guy, decent in net, but never a superstar goalie. he got to play behind some of the best teams in the league and some of the best teams in history and that helped him A TON. put him in net when howard completed his career and he's getting shelled, imo. The numbers are what they are. Ozzie certainly played for some better teams than Howard but for whatever reason I was just never impressed with Howard's play - he just never struck me as a 'great' goalie. I suppose the way the selection is put you can put him there because there was only one goalie through much of that period and it was him. Taking a more general window, he wouldn't be on my list of great Wings at all. Edited January 24 by gehringer_2 Quote
buddha Posted January 25 Posted January 25 8 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: The numbers are what they are. Ozzie certainly played for some better teams than Howard but for whatever reason I was just never impressed with Howard's play - he just never struck me as a 'great' goalie. I suppose the way the selection is put you can put him there because there was only one goalie through much of that period and it was him. Taking a more general window, he wouldn't be on my list of great Wings at all. i dont think howard is "great." but i dont think ozzie was "great" in the 00s. i dont think he was EVER great, but certainly not in the 00s. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted January 25 Posted January 25 On 1/23/2025 at 10:23 PM, lordstanley said: https://www.nhl.com/news/topic/quarter-century-team/detroit-red-wings-quarter-century-teams Red Wings' "quarter-century team" (2000-2025) named. BS list. Any list that doesn't include Dan Clearly, Todd Bertuzzi, or Mikael Samuelsson is incomplete. Datsyuk was traded away, Dan Cleary was resigned. You be the judge of who is the better player. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) 8 hours ago, buddha said: i dont think howard is "great." but i dont think ozzie was "great" in the 00s. i dont think he was EVER great, but certainly not in the 00s. Goalie hasn't been that strong a position on the Wings since almost forever - Sawchuck I guess. Hasek was a great goalie but the Wings were too small a part of his career to claim him as theirs. In Osgood's best years the rest of the team was so good he didn't have work very hard so he's hard to compare to goalies from more 'normal' teams. We thought Crozier would be HOF after his rookie year. Edited January 25 by gehringer_2 Quote
lordstanley Posted January 25 Author Posted January 25 While I would agree that Osgood was never great and never warranted any serious Hall of Fame discussion, I do think in 2008 that he was “very good enough” that he was 34 seconds away from a Conn Smythe until he left enough room at the post for Maxime Talbot to tuck it in. I think after Game 2 in 2009 he seemed to be on his way to a Conn Smythe but IIRC by the time Game 7 came along he was considered out of the running even if the Wings had won. Quote
slothfacekilla Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Watching back old Wings games (I've been doing it a lot this season lol) it always strikes me that Osgood came up with a ton of huge saves in big moments that I forget about. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 5 hours ago, slothfacekilla said: Watching back old Wings games (I've been doing it a lot this season lol) it always strikes me that Osgood came up with a ton of huge saves in big moments that I forget about. No doubt Ozzie had his moments - I suppose the basic knock is that when you are only facing 15 shots a night you should be sharp on those. That may not really be fair but I think it's not an uncommon view among non-Wing hockey viewers from Ozzie's era.- Quote
slothfacekilla Posted January 25 Posted January 25 22 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: No doubt Ozzie had his moments - I suppose the basic knock is that when you are only facing 15 shots a night you should be sharp on those. That may not really be fair but I think it's not an uncommon view among non-Wing hockey viewers from Ozzie's era.- I totally get that opinion. It’s tough to discount how good the teams were in front of him. As an ex-goalie before my knees gave up on me, I will say I found those games with 15 or so shots against really tough haha. It is tough to stay in the zone when you don’t get much work, and I preferred fairly steady (but easy!) shots throughout a game so I would keep a feel for the puck and my angles. There is a give and take with that too! Managed to time my nap perfectly for the Lightning game! Quote
lordstanley Posted January 26 Author Posted January 26 Wings up 1-0 after 2 against Tampa on a Kasper goal. Imagine how great the atmosphere at LCA would be tonight if the Lions were playing tomorrow. Still bummed. Quote
Hongbit Posted January 26 Posted January 26 11 minutes ago, lordstanley said: Wings up 1-0 after 2 against Tampa on a Kasper goal. Imagine how great the atmosphere at LCA would be tonight if the Lions were playing tomorrow. Still bummed. Lions pulled a 1994 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 26 Posted January 26 49 minutes ago, lordstanley said: Wings up 1-0 after 2 against Tampa on a Kasper goal. Imagine how great the atmosphere at LCA would be tonight if the Lions were playing tomorrow. Still bummed. However this ends the Wings deserve to win this game - but Vasilevskiy. Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) Someone needs to kick Kucharov's ass. I am disappointed that nobody on our team took a shot at him. That's weak. You need to speak for your teammate there, boys. Can't let him do that and just skate away. Edited January 26 by Motor City Sonics Quote
buddha Posted January 26 Posted January 26 good win. still hanging in there. unfortunately, so is every other team in the east not named buffalo. Quote
buddha Posted January 26 Posted January 26 so does kucherov get suspended for that? i'd be stunned if they did anything. the nhl never does anything to players who intentionally injure red wings. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) I have a hard time understanding why the NHL won't clean up its house on dirty plays. If you want to let guys drop the gloves and go at it, that's one thing I could live without but OK, the players know the score there, but that still doesn't justify letting guys get away with so much crap during play. On thing though, if Kasper, Edvinsson, Johansson and Soderblom all stick this season and the Wings finish at least at the euqivalent of 500, suddenly the development pipeline looks a lot less futile than it did 2 months ago. Now I have to believe Lalonde was part of the reluctance to bring up/play the young guys and not just Yzerman. Edited January 26 by gehringer_2 Quote
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